Last edited by Bluebonnet; 03-08-2012 at 05:57 PM.
Bluebonnet did not bring Patrick into this thread and at no time did Bluebonnet compare Patrick with Jason. It was SpunSilver who started calling us (yes, Patrick fans) Chan Patrol.
And when did anyone ever make comparison of Jason with Patrick? Did we ever say ... Patrick can do this, Jason cannot do that?
I don't want to pick a fight in Jasons's thread with due respect to this boy who has a lot of potential and who is still young. Don't make accusations and expect me to keep quiet. Let's not start a bitchy and catty fight over the internet just over 'cake without icing' comment. This thread asked a question and we gave our opinions. If you are not happy that we are commenting on Jason's thread, then so be it. You can have the whole thread to yourself.
-- In other threads, Jason Brown fans have cited Chan as a reason to be optimistic about his 3A prospects because of Chan's past struggles with the jump. These posts, I believe were well-meaning and did not have any malice.
-- The response was "Well Jason Brown isn't like Chan because Chan was winning world medals/national titles at the same age as Jason (16) and had a 3A." The struggles, as noted, was only last year while he was working on the quad.
-- I can see some posters taking those posts — and perhaps missing the first context I mention — as 'Why must Jason Brown be compared with Patrick Chan all the time?" i.e. Why must Chan ALWAYS be brought into every discussion.
-- Such posts, I sense, are from long-standing frustration/perception that Chan fans(regardless of the reality) are not willing to accept that other posts that criticize their favorite skater. Hence, there's a bit of resentment that people can't share the virtues of other skaters with out Chan being brought to the discussion (even if it was in the right context).
-- Meanwhile, I think some Brown fans are frustrated that their valid posts of Jason's virtues despite the 3A are being taking as "fans being delusional" or "can't face the truth." and feel they can't freely share those thoughts.
-- And some have felt that Jason Brown anti's = Patrick Chan fans.
All that have leaded up to where we are now.
I point this out because I feel what we have is a misunderstanding rather than that this-or-that poster is bad, being uber, or whatever. I have had constructive discussions about Brown with other posters, even those who disagree with me.
The reason I left the thread was because I felt that my contribution to the thread was over, not because I was forced out of it. I think this blow up is more fatigue than anything else and I hope we can get past this and continue this interesting discussion.
Also in 2010, when Jeremy won his second title, he had that beautiful 3A-3T in his FS that was on the second half of his program. That sure racked up a ton of points!
AFAIR, it was a suggestion that Han Yan go to Lori Nichol for choreo. (despite claims to the contrary, it was the Jr Men's SP thread, not the Brown vs Chan thread, and discussion of Han Yan, Farris, Brown, Bush, and so forth were all pertinent to the thread). I hoped Han Yan would not go to Nichol.
( and I did not say this at the time, but the last thing I'd like for Jason is for him to go to Lori Nichol, either. One of the best things about Jason is the quirky, interesting choreo that Rohene Ward did for his LP IMO)
BB then replied as above.
But this is not the Junior Worlds SP thread; this thread is about Jason, so I want to assert again, that I like Jason's choreo and would hate to see him go to anyone else at this time.
Here is te complete exchange.
Originally Posted by BluebonnetOriginally Posted by Doris PulaskiOriginally Posted by BluebonnetI leave it to the reader to decide who is posting in good faith in the spirit and flow of the conversation and who is trying to start a fight where none exists.Originally Posted by chuckm
Last edited by Mathman; 03-08-2012 at 07:46 PM.
MM, I'm sure the last quote was not Bluebonnet's.
Oh goodness. Spun, Mrs. P - please let me know what I'm allowed to say when taking into consideration I deeply admire Chan.
I've been following this thread off & on, and just want to say that I don't understand the logic of a poster wanting to disrupt the praise for a skater that others like/enjoy/worship/et al. I mean I have my favorites too and will post in threads in their honor when I feel like it. What I won't do or try not to do is post in a thread that's clearly in honor of a skater that I don't particularly enjoy (neutrality is different though). To me that's trollish behavior. Let them have their favorites & praise them to the skies, it's not hurting anybody, especially seeing as how I do the same thing in honor of my favorite skaters.
Anyhow, Jmho. Carry on.
before I opened this thread again, I knew something about Patrick Chan would come up
b) Nor is it trollish behaviour to respond to positivity with the opposite. Postive comments can be just as provocative as negative ones.
Let's get back to the thread at hand, yes?
I wanted to note the following:
** Jason Brown at his 2010 U.S. Nationals (junior) program, which he won: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEh0bm-oRtM
** Jason Brown at 2012 JW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APF_0dzUmXs
While he had the raw talent and his well-known charisma/sparkle back in 2010, you can definitely see that since then he worked in several areas of his presentation, such as his edges and his ice coverage.
So it's not like he and his team was just sitting around waiting for that 3A to come together.
That bodes well for his future, me thinks because it seems that they have a good handle on his development and how to work within his current ability and parameters.