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    Medal Table

    1. Russia - 2 Gold, 1 Silver, 2 Bronze

    2. China - 2 Gold, 1 Silver

    3. USA - 2 Silver, 2 Bronze

    No other nation won a medal

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    That's very disappointing for Japan. During last two seasons they always had people on the podium and won twice (Murakami, Hanyu). Now they lost a spot in both men and women for the next year JWC.

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    China is becoming a figure skating powerhouse
    could overtake Japan soon in some of their disciplines

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    Can someone do the spots for next year and spots for JGP thing by country? :D
    Pretty please!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post

    No other nation won a medal
    That's actually quite fascinating!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20
    China is becoming a figure skating powerhouse
    could overtake Japan soon in some of their disciplines
    I think that comment is really overhasty.
    "Japan's disciplines" are ladies and men, and why should they lose out in those to china "soon"? Zijun Li ended up behind Miyahara, who's even 2 years younger (although I love both of them). And as talented as Han Yan is, beating Takahashi and Kozuka and Hanyu(!) is not that likely happening just next season.
    Japan might have had a disappointing junior year, but that doesn't even need to mean much... I'd bet next year especially for the men Japan will still have the strongest team overall.

    But that aside, happy for all the medalists
    It'll be interesting to see how some of them will do in seniors next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    I think that comment is really overhasty.
    "Japan's disciplines" are ladies and men, and why should they lose out in those to china "soon"? Zijun Li ended up behind Miyahara, who's even 2 years younger (although I love both of them). And as talented as Han Yan is, beating Takahashi and Kozuka and Hanyu(!) is not that likely happening just next season.
    Japan might have had a disappointing junior year, but that doesn't even need to mean much... I'd bet next year especially for the men Japan will still have the strongest team overall.

    But that aside, happy for all the medalists
    It'll be interesting to see how some of them will do in seniors next year
    Japan`development is unbalanced,They have only single skating,But Russia,America and China are better,That's very disappointing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpaiyi
    Japan`development is unbalanced,They have only single skating,But Russia,America and China are better,That's very disappointing!
    Thing is, that this is nothing new. Japan was kind of dominant in singles and just there, and by now they still are. Russia will be changing that for the ladies, but I don't see China "overtaking" Japan there.
    Japan is even having a promising pair this time.
    And what is America doing there, except for Ice Dance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    Thing is, that this is nothing new. Japan was kind of dominant in singles and just there, and by now they still are. Russia will be changing that for the ladies, but I don't see China "overtaking" Japan there.
    Japan is even having a promising pair this time.
    And what is America doing there, except for Ice Dance?
    What about their men and ladies??Their ladies were always contenders unlike Russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by koatcue
    What about their men and ladies??Their ladies were always contenders unlike Russia
    I'm not saying America isn't having any contenders, but I don't think America is "better than Japan" - what jpaiyi just wrote above.
    Besides Abbott, I don't see any american man who's really on the same level as at least 4 japanese men you could think of.
    And what american ladies really stood up against Asada and Ando the last years? Nagasu maybe somewhere in between for a short while, but that aside... I actually think Wagner now is better than anything else America put out for a pretty long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by koatcue View Post
    What about their men and ladies??Their ladies were always contenders unlike Russia
    I think always "is a pretty long time" I seem to recall that after Midori Ito and Yuka retired the Japanese absolutely went through a spell of no ladies medals on the Senior circuit for awhile. Try from 1994 to 2002. While Russia at that time WAS winning world medals in ladies which is always their weakest discipline.
    The Russians went through an entire system collapse, coaches leaving etc which really hurt their program everywhere. They are CLEARLY building up though again.
    The Russians will be on the world podium in ladies-very soon.

    In terms of the Japanese ladies, I wonder who will be next because I don't think they've shown a young skater who can take the reigns from their top ladies. But in terms of the men-my gosh Hanyu? is certainly at an age to compete with those young Junior men-he's just not there because he's in Seniors right now. Not every year, one's going to have the great junior.

    I'm sure the next great Japanese lady will come, but I think there problems are similar to what the US faced etc after Kwan, Cohen era ended.
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    I will tell you though those rankings have changed so much because of the spread of wealth
    there has always a discipline a country lacks or is not doing well

    Russia :
    Ladies, Ice Dance , Pairs Not Good: Men

    USA:
    Ice Dance, Men, Ladies Not Good: Pairs

    China :
    Men, Ladies, Pairs Not Good: Ice Dance

    Canada :
    Men, Ice Dance, Pairs Not Good: Ladies

    Japan :
    Ladies, Men Not Good : Pairs, Ice Dance

    I noticed Ice Dance is very slow in development especially in east asia
    and not as popular as in US and Russia who has many ice dance juniors competing every season
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    Medal table tends to indicate breadth rather than depth, and the Junior table may perhaps indicate the future trend rather than current strengths.

    Currently Japan is deep and strong in Singles but lack breadth with no contenders in Pairs and Dance. The Junior medal table seems to indicate no change in trends.

    USA too seems to maintain its breadth and strength but no definitive top of field is indicated.

    Both Russia and China OTOH show increase in both breadth and strength going by the Junior results.

    And as sky_fly pointed out, each country has its weak discipline(s). That makes for interesting World Team competitions.

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