Should Gracie or Caroline or Agnes or Mirai replace Alissa for Worlds?

skateflower · Mar 10, 2012

Should Gracie or Caroline or Agnes or Mirai replace Alissa for Worlds?

Alissa CZISNY had another massive meltdown at the Challenge Cup. She had a bad SP and a horrendous LP with only 2 triples.

"Popped 2A, 2Lz, 3F, 1A+2T (db ft), 3Lz fall, 2Lo (popped), 3Lo. Not the best day for her."

I think she should be replaced by Gold or Zhang, or she can withdraw herself. I'm afraid she's going to waste another opportunity for US to gain three spots for the next year's world championships. This is the best and last chance for US to gain 3 spots with Ashely being strong and Russian babies coming up.

Alissa scored 92, here's the protocol:
http://archief.knsb.nl/upload/kunstrijden/kunstrijden2012/20120308/Seniorladies_FS_Scores.pdf

1 A (fall out),
2 lutz,
3f <
1lutz + 2t
3lutz (fall),
3loop << (fall),
3lo<+seq

Actually, she was unable to land ONE clean TRIPLE.

silverlake22 · Mar 10, 2012

Only problem is Zawadzki is the 1st alternate, and she's no beacon of consistency herself, at least not recently...

drivingmissdaisy · Mar 10, 2012

Gold - No way. She has never skated a senior LP in competition. Worlds is not the place to do your first. Maybe if she had done 4CC first I would say ok.
Zhang - No. A clean Zhang might not even finish in the top 10 at Worlds, whereas a 2 error (not falls) Czisny could still finish top 5.

Besides that, I don't like changes to the team after they have been announced. Alissa shouldn't be punished for partaking in a competition.

macy · Mar 10, 2012

can they even do that if alissa doesn't have a legit reason to not compete? i hate saying it because i absolutely love alissa, but at this point i think it would be better if caroline or gracie went, preferrably gracie...

Mrs. P · Mar 10, 2012

USFSA will unlikely do any last minute changes like that. And as silverlake said, it will go to Agnes if they do decide to replace her. They not just going to pick someone randomly. Though you never know....

I think it's too late for USFSA to do anything now, but they probably need establish some system that is well-though out and well documented to the public. While replacing Alissa may be a popular choice here, I could also see USFSA getting plenty of backlash at home if they did such a move.

skateflower · Mar 10, 2012

Jeremy Abbott only landed ONE clean jump in the long program, beyond pathetic. He should probably stay home as well. I'm tired of these headcases.

Vash01 · Mar 10, 2012

Definitely not Gold. She has never competed at the senior level, even nationally. It will be silly to send her to worlds in place of at top 5 finisher at worlds.

Caroline will probably make the world team next year (even Gold might, since she can jump), but Alissa has earned her spot this year. Unless she is injured she should not be replaced.

skateflower · Mar 10, 2012

drivingmissdaisy said:
Gold - No way. She has never skated a senior LP in competition. Worlds is not the place to do your first. Maybe if she had done 4CC first I would say ok.
Zhang - No. A clean Zhang might not even finish in the top 10 at Worlds, whereas a 2 error (not falls) Czisny could still finish top 5.

Besides that, I don't like changes to the team after they have been announced. Alissa shouldn't be punished for partaking in a competition.

Alissa is simply not reliable, technical and/or mental wise. USFSA has given her mutliple opportunities in the past. She blew it over and over. If USFSA wants results, they need to be tough towards their skaters just like Russian federation.

skateflower · Mar 10, 2012

Vash01 said:
Definitely not Gold. She has never competed at the senior level, even nationally. It will be silly to send her to worlds in place of at top 5 finisher at worlds.

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If there's almost 100% chance that Alissa will blow it again, why can't USFSA send Gold, the future, to the worlds? At least they will no longer waste on a sure failure, who frankly, represents yesterday. Alissa scored 92, here's the protocol:
http://archief.knsb.nl/upload/kunstrijden/kunstrijden2012/20120308/Seniorladies_FS_Scores.pdf

1 A (fall out),
2 lutz,
3f <
1lutz + 2t
3lutz (fall),
3loop << (fall),
3lo<+seq

Actually, she was unable to land ONE clean TRIPLE. :rolleye:

Nadine · Mar 10, 2012

I see this as the *exact* same scenario as what happened to Rachael Flatt last year. She competed with injury without telling the USFSA, and as a result she bombed at Worlds, thereby once again only earning 2 spots for Ladies, but most importantly there was a HUGE backlash, and as a result Rachael was fined by the USFSA for not disclosing the injury right away so she could have been replaced at the last minute with Mirai Nagasu. Fact. Same thing going on now imho.

No way would Alissa have earned a top 10 placement, let alone a top 5 placement (laughable) at Worlds with what she landed at this most recent competition today.

I like Alissa, I think she's the most artistic skater the USA Team has, and when on should easily place 1st, but that's not the case right now. She was injured earlier in the season, and it does *not* appear to be healed yet.

Therefore, the USFSA has to do the "smart" thing and replace her if that's the case. Otherwise they'll be facing the same scenario they faced with Rachael Flatt last year. Furthermore, 2013 Worlds is crucial on so many levels, least of all the 2014 Olympic Team Event...

FlattFan · Mar 10, 2012

Actually, Alissa did not earn her spot this year. She was gifted the silver medal. Time to take the gif t back.

skateflower · Mar 10, 2012

Nadine said:
No way would Alissa have earned a top 10 placement, let alone a top 5 placement (laughable) at Worlds with what she landed at this most recent competition today.

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Maybe Alissa will help some other skaters such as Kexin Zhang from China to get into top 10 and earn two spots for their respective countries? lol.

mousepotato · Mar 10, 2012

Is anyone really taking the Challenge Cup seriously or only using it as warm-up for worlds? Pull Alissa for Gracie? :rofl:

centerpt1 · Mar 10, 2012

Yuka and Jason have a good bit of work to do in the next two weeks.

blue dog · Mar 10, 2012

No, they should not. It would not be beneficial to any of the girls concerned if there was a last-minute change this close to Worlds. Also, it's better for her to have her "meltdown" at this competition, rather than at Worlds. Bomb away, Alissa--get the bugs out, so that when you come to worlds, you can have the skate of your year.

samba · Mar 10, 2012

Why did USFS send Jeremy and Alissa to Hague anyway? This was quite unusual since US never sent any athletes to any international competition this time of the season, only two weeks before Worlds. Was this a gift for Jason and Yuka's camp?

pangtongfan · Mar 10, 2012

A huge NO. Czisny still has a better chance to either medal or place higher and help earn 3 sopts than either this year if she skates decently (granted a question mark given her latest form). Well Gold is debateable but it would be against all principle to send her in the first place, let alone naming it now, and the pressure on a junior skater sent to Worlds last moment to help the U.S would be immense.

pangtongfan · Mar 10, 2012

The Challenge Cup isnt even a real competition. I cant believe anyone is taking the skaters performances there seriously, be it Czisny, Abbott, or whoever else.

chuckm · Mar 10, 2012

FlattFan said:
Actually, Alissa did not earn her spot this year. She was gifted the silver medal. Time to take the gif t back.

I so agree. Her SP mark was way too high for a faulty performance. Her FS wasn't any too great, either.

Stick a fork in Alissa. She's done.

As for this competition being a joke, Kostner skated a brilliant, crystal-clean performance with two 3Fs.

Blades of Passion · Mar 10, 2012

skateflower said:
Alissa scored 92, here's the protocol:
http://archief.knsb.nl/upload/kunstrijden/kunstrijden2012/20120308/Seniorladies_FS_Scores.pdf

WOW at Kostner's score and upgraded technical content! She hit the 2Axel-3Toe for the first time all season and also put a second Triple Flip in the program. She is gunning for that World title very seriously now.

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