Should Gracie or Caroline or Agnes or Mirai replace Alissa for Worlds?

mskater93 · Mar 15, 2012

^^^
This is NOT true about Gracie. I don't know where THIS rumor got started that "once she got home she told anyone who would listen she 'coulda gone' to 4CC". That's totally not what happened. Gracie and her team were told she would be considered for Senior International events this season depending on the outcome of Senior Ladies (ie if it was a splat fest and there was low quality skating, they would consider it) and that they wouldn't immediately name her to the JW team until Senior Ladies was over. From the moment she won Junior Ladies, her team began preparing mentally (and then in practice) to meet the RWB's (and were actually looking forward to that from comments made in the press and around the rink). The comment that "All age eligible ladies will be considered for all events" was tweeted by the President of USFS, so maybe someone has turned *THAT* tweet around to make it seem as if Gracie were full of herself. :rolleye:

Of all the talented skaters I've been around at my rinks over the years, Gracie is one of the LEAST likely to behave like that.

PolymerBob · Mar 15, 2012

Mathman said:
^ If Alissa withdraws with an injury, Agnes Zadwadski goes. This was already decided and publicly announced two months ago.

Agnes cannot go to Worlds. Her name is not in the title of this thread. :biggrin:

Mathman · Mar 15, 2012

dorispulaski · Mar 15, 2012

PolymerBob said:
Agnes cannot go to Worlds. Her name is not in the title of this thread.

However, that's a replacement that's easily arranged :biggrin:

R.D. · Mar 15, 2012

PolymerBob said:
Agnes cannot go to Worlds. Her name is not in the title of this thread.

Ha!

(uh oh...Who added her name to the thread title???

*taps foot* )

ETA: if we're doing that, it was confirmed that Gold CANNOT go to worlds since she is not an alternate...yet, her name is still in the thread title

krenseby · Mar 15, 2012

R.D. said:
Ha!

(uh oh...Who added her name to the thread title??? *taps foot* )

Mirai Nagasu's name should be added to the thread as well. Don't you guys think she is a good skater?

Sylvia · Mar 15, 2012

krenseby said:
Mirai Nagasu's name should be added to the thread as well.

Yeah, especially since Nagasu is the 3rd alternate for Worlds! :stamps foot:

Jammers · Mar 15, 2012

krenseby said:
Mirai Nagasu's name should be added to the thread as well. Don't you guys think she is a good skater?

Mirai is a good skater when she feels like competing. Which doesn't seem to be that often lately. :eek:

hwell:

sky_fly20 · Mar 15, 2012

Agnes on the list ?
might as well add Rachel Flatt :eek:

hwell:

R.D. · Mar 15, 2012

sky_fly20 said:
Agnes on the list ?
might as well add Rachel Flatt hwell:

HA!

Sylvia · Mar 15, 2012

Remember that Nagasu was elevated over Flatt for the 3rd alternate spot (Rachael finished 6th and Mirai 7th at Nationals).

DianaSelene · Mar 15, 2012

sky_fly20 said:
Agnes on the list ?
might as well add Rachel Flatt hwell:

Yeah, I'm not so optimistic about Zawadzki. I wouldn't be surprised if she follows the same route of many American skaters: reaches her peak maybe in 5 years and gets fourth or fifth at a world championships.......the end.

Jammers · Mar 15, 2012

Agnes has potential as we saw in her SP at Nats but she has to stop tanking in the LP.

krenseby · Mar 15, 2012

Jammers said:
Mirai is a good skater when she feels like competing. Which doesn't seem to be that often lately.hwell:

How can you tell when she feels like competing or not?

macy · Mar 15, 2012

krenseby said:
How can you tell when she feels like competing or not?

by her attitude meaning facial expressions, the way she skates, etc.

sky_fly20 · Mar 16, 2012

DianaSelene said:
Yeah, I'm not so optimistic about Zawadzki. I wouldn't be surprised if she follows the same route of many American skaters: reaches her peak maybe in 5 years and gets fourth or fifth at a world championships.......the end.

anyone who thinks Agnes replacing Alyssa at Worlds is a good idea, no need to look further than Agnes' abbyssmal performance all season, even her 4CC was a disaster, I still think her nationals was a fluke. I Know she is the 1st alternate but sending her even if she is clean would barely reach top 10, if she bombs she'll score an overall between 130'ss-140's. so there is no alternative to Alyssa atm,

kwanatic · Mar 16, 2012

[sarcasm] I say they replace Alissa and Ashley with Gracie! What's the point of having two entries? Everyone knows if Gracie competes she'll win the competition by 40+, smashing Yu-Na Kim's record score from Vancouver! [/sarcasm] Why is Gracie's name even in this discussion? :sarcasm:

I guess it's fun to debate (boredom is a mutha..) but it's a pointless discussion because Agnes is the first alternate which means if Alissa pulls out for some reason, Agnes will be the one replacing her. I'm not confident in Agnes doing much better than what Alissa can do at this point. Agnes had a good SP at nationals but the rest of her skating this season has been nothing to brag about, plus she has no pull with the judges in terms of scores.

Even with her problems Alissa is the best choice for that 2nd spot. If she manages to skate decently she'll get the scores needed to place well...same can't be said for Agnes.

R.D. · Mar 16, 2012

Heck I'm not confident in Zawadzki even MATCHING Czisny on her worst day. Get this, AZ SB was only FIVE points higher than Alyssa's CC score. So if Czisny pulls out, our chances of 3 spots go from moderately slim to nonexistent. We could even lose the 2nd spot actually...so I'd just rather not think about it.

After 4CC, I maintain CZhang should have been moved up to 1st alternate position because even with her issues, she's still a stronger threat. Even Nagasu might be a better choice for crying out loud... so the order IMHO should have been: Wagner & Czisny for team / Alternates: 1. CZhang 2. Nagasu 3. Zawadzki

after all USFS wasn't afraid to "mix up" the alternates for 4CCs...

R.D. · Mar 16, 2012

You know, I may seem down on Zawadzki- that's not my intent. I really do wish the best for her, she's cool and all- but in terms of THIS season, in THIS situation, judging by her past performances, there are other skaters which IMHO would be better choices for worlds alternate.

The potential is there, obviously, judging by her Natls SP (hopefully it wasn't a fluke) and if she can get her LP nerves under control and remain healthy, I have no doubt that she will become a world contender. But obviously she isn't one right now. Not even close. I'm seeing shades of Czisny in 2007...

Spun Silver · Mar 16, 2012

DianaSelene said:
Yeah, I'm not so optimistic about Zawadzki. I wouldn't be surprised if she follows the same route of many American skaters: reaches her peak maybe in 5 years and gets fourth or fifth at a world championships.......the end.

Hello? That's Alyssa's best Worlds finish so far too (fifth). At least Agnes is young and has time to improve.

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