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Thread: Should Gracie or Caroline or Agnes or Mirai replace Alissa for Worlds?

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    Why did USFS send Jeremy and Alissa to Hague anyway? This was quite unusual since US never sent any athletes to any international competition this time of the season, only two weeks before Worlds. Was this a gift for Jason and Yuka's camp?

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    A huge NO. Czisny still has a better chance to either medal or place higher and help earn 3 sopts than either this year if she skates decently (granted a question mark given her latest form). Well Gold is debateable but it would be against all principle to send her in the first place, let alone naming it now, and the pressure on a junior skater sent to Worlds last moment to help the U.S would be immense.

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    The Challenge Cup isnt even a real competition. I cant believe anyone is taking the skaters performances there seriously, be it Czisny, Abbott, or whoever else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Actually, Alissa did not earn her spot this year. She was gifted the silver medal. Time to take the gif t back.
    I so agree. Her SP mark was way too high for a faulty performance. Her FS wasn't any too great, either.

    Stick a fork in Alissa. She's done.

    As for this competition being a joke, Kostner skated a brilliant, crystal-clean performance with two 3Fs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateflower View Post
    Alissa scored 92, here's the protocol:
    http://archief.knsb.nl/upload/kunstr..._FS_Scores.pdf
    WOW at Kostner's score and upgraded technical content! She hit the 2Axel-3Toe for the first time all season and also put a second Triple Flip in the program. She is gunning for that World title very seriously now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    The Challenge Cup isnt even a real competition. I cant believe anyone is taking the skaters performances there seriously, be it Czisny, Abbott, or whoever else.
    Then why would they go there then? Czisny wanted to do another competition to show her 'progress'. She got her wish ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateflower View Post
    Jeremy Abbott only landed ONE clean jump in the long program, beyond pathetic. He should probably stay home as well. I'm tired of these headcases.
    Who taught you how to count? Nobunari Oda?? I counted 5 clean jumps in his long program. Your counting is beyond pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue dog View Post
    Bomb away, Alissa--get the bugs out, so that when you come to worlds, you can have the skate of your year.
    This sounds good in theory. But in principle... how often does it happen that a skater has a meltdown at a warmup competition and then two weeks later goes out to blow away the competition at the real thing? It seems to me that the top prizes usually go to skaters who have been skating close to top form for at least a couple of months before the big comp. For example, at the Vancouver Olympics, Yu-na and Joannie were having fabulous, steady skates for months before the Olympics. Mao was a little up-and-down, but certainly not bombing anything within a few weeks of the Olympics. S/Z & P/T also looked especially good since the previous summer, as did V/M & D/W. It's not like Alissa has especially amazing technical content that's going to catapult her to the top if she just happens to put it all together at the WC. No 3-3, 2A-3T, or 3S; plus a lip. And worst of all, she looks like she's been going steadily downhill this whole season, so the momentum is definitely not with her.

    As far as momentum goes this season, Carolina K, Ashley W, Polina K look in good form. Maybe also Valentina M and Kiira Korpi. Mao doesn't especially have momentum, but she seems to be hanging in there despite her personal tragedy, which is pretty impressive. Also the lovely Akiko Suzuki. Then Alena Leonova is a real fighter and you can never totally count her out. I think if Alissa skates her average programs for this season, she will be out of top 5 at Worlds, because everyone else has been steadily progressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    The Challenge Cup isnt even a real competition. I cant believe anyone is taking the skaters performances there seriously, be it Czisny, Abbott, or whoever else.
    I totally agree. You have to admit though that it provides a bit of comic relief to see certain posters lose all sense of reason and get into a complete panic over this event though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feraina View Post
    For example, at the Vancouver Olympics, Yu-na and Joannie were having fabulous, steady skates for months before the Olympics.
    Not true at all. Yu-Na and Joannie both skated very subpar during the GP season of the Olympic year. Kim was actually beaten in the LP by Rachael Flatt at Skate America that season, falling numerous times in the LP and at the GPF, Yu-Na was pretty lackluster in both the SP and the LP, but still did enough to win the title overall. Rochette was very dismal during the GP season and did not look Olympic podium form, aside from a season debut LP skate at the Japan Open, which she won, until she skated the LP at her Nationals, skating a perfect 7 triple program there. Joannie had a complete meltdown during the LP at the GPF, only managing to finish 5th there. Thank goodness, they found their jumping legs at the Olympics, where it mattered the most!
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    Real competition or not both Jeremy and Alissa were awful. That's the bottom line and it doesn't matter if it wasn't an important competition. Neither of them looks ready to put up much of a fight in Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Real competition or not both Jeremy and Alissa were awful. That's the bottom line and it doesn't matter if it wasn't an important competition. Neither of them looks ready to put up much of a fight in Nice.
    Great, maybe you should petition the USFSA to replace them on the team then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Who taught you how to count? Nobunari Oda?? I counted 5 clean jumps in his long program. Your counting is beyond pathetic.
    Every jump had a wobble landing or turn-out. They were not clean.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAoKxzPz8s8

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    Normally I'm a strong supporter of the policy of National medalists going to Worlds. But in this case, yes, I think Alissa should be removed from the World team. How can she possibly be ready to compete at Worlds in two weeks after a horror show like this?? Two falls in the short, not a single clean triple in the long?? That's crazy bad. And I don't buy the argument that the Challenge Cup isn't a serious competition. Kostner and Joubert were obviously taking it seriously. It's 2.5 weeks away from Worlds. Any competition that close to Worlds is serious.

    IMO Alissa should be urged to withdraw from the team, and if she will not do so voluntarily, she should be removed. At times, the federation simply must make a call and step in and do the right thing for the overall skating program.

    As to those saying that a 2-fall Alissa might still place better at Worlds than Agnes, Caroline, or Gracie . . . Well. You may be right. But if Alissa skates as badly as she did at Challenge Cup, then again, you may be wrong. And the thing is, Alissa probably just lost some of her international standing, if you will, this weekend, with this terrible performance. That could affect her PCS at Worlds.

    I would be fine with Agnes, Caroline, or Gracie replacing Alissa. My first choice would be Gracie, followed by Caroline.

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    I really don't know what to say. They did skate poorly but was it nerves, a bad day, or they just didn't care about how they skate? This reminds me a lot of how I saw Tuktamysheva skate very badly at Russian test skates a few weeks before her first senior gp. I thought she wasn't prepared. But she came out and had a great grand prix debut. I don't know whether this is a similar case but who knows? They might really be unprepared or something is wrong.

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