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    I think the judging at Challenge was very very very very generous. Alyssa had flaw after flaw. If Ashley wins gold at world's, Agnes could get 11 or 12th and the US is back where it used to be 3 ladies. I don't think Alyssa will drop out though - like RAchel - it's hard to give up a chance to skate at world's and she doesn't have a lot to lose unlike Mchelle Kwan at the 2006 Olympics where her reputation was at stake as she had won so much. It's possible; she beat Mao and everyone so all she has to do (Ashley) is beat Carolina and she should be able to hold off the rest of Europe - "all" is the key though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Do you think Alissa will get 10th falling on 7 jumps?
    No.

    But I do think this: Czisny can mess up maybe 3 of those jumps and still hang on to a top 10 finish. Zawadzki, OTOH, has NO ROOM for error at all and may not get in even if she hits... We know how shaky she is in those freeskates...4CC must be the first time I've seen her simply stay vertical in the FS and the scores (still) didn't knock anyone out.




    [Czisny] has to be injured and in pain. Then add her nerves. I bet we see a pullout.
    I wouldn't draw that conclusion so quickly...this is Czisny we're talking about here. She is perfectly capable of laying eggs without an excuse as convenient as injury.

    Then again, I would not be surprised if she was indeed re-injured from either the trip, training, etc. I'm still not convinced it was the right decision for her to do this competition in the first place, unless she was going to stay in Europe until Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    I think the judging at Challenge was very very very very generous. Alyssa had flaw after flaw.
    I thought the judging was OK, though. Yes, Alissa had flaw after flaw. This was duly reflected in the scores. Alissa's total element scores put her not only behind Kostner and Marchei, but also behind Viktoria Helgesson, Kana Muramoto, Kersten Frank, Lona Morrocco, Romy Buhler, Haruna Suzuki, Fleur Maxwell, Belinda Schnberger, Henrikka Hieaniemi, Anne Line Gjersen, Isabel Drescher, Jennifer Urban, Ami Parekh (representing India), and Dasa Grm (one of the Sisters Grimm).

    As for Alissa's program components scores, they were 10 points below Kostner, whereas with a clean performance Alissa would be only a little behind Carolina.

    So I can't see that Alissa received any particular gift in the scoring.

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    ^^ That list of random Ladies skaters that 'beat' Alissa on TES is a bit scary. But yeah, at least they landed some triples. I really hope Alissa won't withdraw from worlds and magically redeems herself.

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    I hope Alissa withdraws. She is back to her old fragile self and it seems unlikely that she'll be able to pull herself together and compete like a winner in a couple of weeks in an event that's never been good for her (15th, 11th, 5th). If she bombs at Worlds, she destroys her whole narrative of the past two years and has to face all those internal and external doubts about her ability, especially since she's already "old" (for a skater). If she withdraws because of "injury," she can rest and rebuild and start on a fresh note next season, if that's what she has in mind.

    Has she ever rebounded from disaster to top form in two weeks?

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    Mids to Grand Prix final 2011 season. She was a disaster at Mids (comparatively) and then went on to win the GPF about 2 weeks later.

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    OK, thanks - point taken... but at least she landed two triples there and won. This one seems like a total confidence-crusher.

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    She just has to dig deep and make it happen. I bet she doesn't want all the effort she put in over the past 2 years to go down the drain. She knows what awaits her if she blows it again at worlds...

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    RD has it right. Also, she can say "OK, I got this out of the way, now I can skate clean programs at Worlds" if she can turn her mental fortitude on...

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    What is going on with Yuka/Jason? What do you think they are telling Jeremy and Alissa to do? Jeremy is a skater I once loved. Now I see a skater who can't deliver and I am tired of his oh so gentle skating. Yuka is a warrior and very prideful. What should she advise? These two are not making their coaches decisions look good, are they. Ugh. I love Adam Rippon but he's another deer in the headlights. How I wish Evan had returned! A competitor in singles besides Ashley. As far as gold for Ashley, I don't think they will give it to her no matter if she levitates. This is Carolina's to lose. Another person who will bring it is Akiko and Mao. It will be tough for Ashley to get bronze. I think the judges will do what they can with decent skating to see a podium of Caro, Akiko, and Mao in that order. Ashley could certainly beat Akiko if she skates with mistakes, and a Mao with mistakes as in past. But Caro is so dope this year, and she is full of joy. I think Caro is almost as much a lock as Chan for gold.

    and mskater93, where is the mental fortitude in Alissa to turn this mess around? I think she should have retired, as she is a lovely show skater and should model whatever.

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    Look at those PCS of Abbott with all those problems - if he is getting those kind of scores he more than clobbers Chan and Tak; they might as well give up but Abbott's fs was very very shakey - mirrored Alyssa's. Too bad lol they aren't pair's. Nice unity. but seriously the scores were on the generous side at Challenge; I think Alyssa should have been in the FS high 70's not nighties.one of her combos was a single axel double toe loop two footed combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    and mskater93, where is the mental fortitude in Alissa to turn this mess around? I think she should have retired, as she is a lovely show skater and should model whatever.
    I am thinking about the mental fortitude she had to continue from 2010 to 2011 and improve and turn everything around. Clearly it's in there or she would have quit after 2010 or continued to muck about last season instead of fighting for everything. It must be in there somewhere, she just needs to tap into it.

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    Well, I agree with Spun Silver about Alissa withdrawing, though we have not had any announcement, and if injury was causing this, I guess she would have pulled out of Worlds the next day. I ope she isn't taking a page from Flatt's playbook. Whatever is happening with her, she surely realizes she likely will not get a ticket to Worlds again. She basically said after Nationals in so many worlds she knew she skated subpar, but "it was enough" or something to that effect in the post skate interview. Regardless of the 3 spots or the politics of medaling when you have Mao Asada, Akiko with her age and backstory, blazing Carolina in the lead, I just hope Ashley doesn't get too hyped up, and just keeps it cool, as she did at Nationals and 4CC. A performance she is happy with regardless of placement is what I hope for. And Alissa- I wish her the best. I just know I am going to read about it here before I watch it. I don't have Ice Network, so unless I get a feed, I don't have much choice. It is nervewracking and heartbreaking to watch her compete. Bless you Alissa, anyway!
    I don't think Jeremy will be too close to Takahashi if he skates well. And Patrick I predict to win by 25-30 points. If Florent Skates his best, I think he will skate off with the bronze, because it is France. I don't thin Jeremy deserved the high PCS marks with that sloppy freeskate. But that's scoring. You know, these kids are young and winning means a lot. They all work so hard for so long. I know MK doesn't haved a fearful bone in her body. She is a warrior through and through. But I think Danny Kwan drilled into her from her earliest days that skating was to be fun, it was just a sport and "not brain surgery." I am sure if he saw her compete like Alissa looking so thin and frail, he would have pulled her out.

    Carolina has decided to do what she does best and just enjoys herself. Akikko is in that same mindset, as is Mao, as is Wagner (recently). Mirai used to be delightful because she had that in her skating. I just don't think Alissa can flip the switch. Really, she's what 26? She is a US Champion. She is beautiful, smart, and healthy. Why does she make herself sick about a World medal that is not entirely in her hands? When she moves on in life, I guess she will gain perspective. I know she has many fans here, but watching her compete seems like cruelty. She has been Sasha without the diva attitude. I wish Alissa could just say I'm gonna skate and I don't really care about anything. I totally understand her as I was so much like her at her age. Not a champion figure skater, but a lot of similarity. If she cannot jump in front of lots of people, I'd rather see her double everything, smile, spin like crazy and stay vertical. She'll still get high PCS marks and people will still applaud the sheer beauty of what she does when she is not too frightened to perform.

    For those who have not seen her CC skate, it is the worst I remember in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    For those who have not seen her CC skate, it is the worst I remember in a long time.
    That and the send off club skate before the Nationals.

    Jeremy twitted:
    @CameraLaw Won't know how we would've been better served until after Nice. What I know is I've 100% faith in my coaches & the plans we set!
    Perhaps the coaches saw how they had been on one year and off the next, ditto competitions, so they wanted to sandwich a bad skate between the Nationals and Worlds for them.

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    I can't watch.

    I'm just hoping I'm even brave enough to watch Worlds. Knowing the results ahead of time might help a bit, but if things go badly, I might just come onto GS and whine.

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