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Thread: Gold at worlds: Virtue/Moir or Davis/White?

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    Yes he said that in an article i distinctly remember that i can`t find the article but he did say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I seriously doubt those were his exact words.
    I think it was like " Thought we're bitter now? See us if we're in the same position at worlds"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I seriously doubt those were his exact words.
    But he might have said, in answer to a question about when he is going to start his "redemption,"

    “Wednesday at practice,” Moir vowed. “You think this is bitter? Wait to see us if we're in the same position after worlds.”
    http://m.torontosun.com/2011/12/11/v...oir-fall-short

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    So what!!! Good for him. He's got a fighting spirit, being from a family of boys with competitive genes. Ah, Scott, a little testosterone in action Nothin' wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilvskating View Post
    I totally agree, and I don't mind spell it out

    I love V/M's olympic programs, especially the FD and OD. But D/W simply have better programs this year and I love their FD so much.

    Apart from programs, I'm kind of anoyed by Scott's attitude. Even at the kiss and cry in olympic, when they know that they practically won after the FD, Scott's expression was not joy like most of the winners have, but kind of like contempt combined with anger " I beat you!" The GPF was a worse show of personality imo. Even during 4CC, it seemed Charlie was all out trying to be friendly but Scott just ignored him. On another occasion, during Skate Canada, all other skaters were very friendly to fans, signing autograph and taking pictures , Scott just lowered his head, not watching or acknoledging anybody and rushed to the car immediately. Somebody commented why would he care the fans, he's already very famous. It's ok, they don't have to do it, but doing it does seem to help the sport in some way.
    I think Tessa is a very nice and sweet person. Win or loose, she stays graceful. I still love Scott on the ice, as a skater, but not much as a person.
    I had no feeling about D/W before this season, especially Davis. There was no chemistry between them. Her starting pose is still bother me ( the Pouting/breathing right before they start), but other than that, she's really lovely this year. White is always charming, but sometimes he was a bit over exurberant imo. But in the FD this year, they are just perfect!

    So to conclude, I predict D/W win if both teams get the same levels and skate clean, and I will be happy for them. Scott seems need soem opportunity to learn good sportmanship. I still think V/M are better ice dances but they don't have the right vehicles this year.
    Scott does a lot of giving back to the sport. He was athlete rep for Western Ontario Section for a lot of years, and has been a great mentor to a lot of young boys in the sport for many years. He's funny, charming, and gregarious. The other side of a Type A personality is being opinionated, stubborn and not afraid to call things as he sees them. My take on the post GPF interview is that he was frustrated with the result. He seemed to be fine taking into consideration his own role in the fall in the SD, but like many of us, the idea that D/W would finish ahead of V/M on PCS in the FD was head-scratching. There does not seem to be a recognition on the part of the judges of the difference in complexity and quality in PCS between the teams. So he spoke his mind about it. He wears his heart on his sleeve. It's a little refreshing.

    There has been some attitude changes. I believe they were talking around 4CC that they have changed their focus from results to skating for themselves. It seems to have worked at 4CC. That, and they examined and enhanced their programs in great detail after the GPF. They are still hungry. It's good. That's why I see them sticking this out to Sochi at least as long as they are both healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by romanoff81 View Post
    All i know is Scott Moir might go postal if he doesn`t get his way i dread the thought of what he might say if V&M finish second to their training mates he even said that in December at the gp final ``thought were are bitter know see us if were in the same position at worlds`` those were his exact words.
    The CSA has tried hard to not only politik harder behind the scenes (reflective in things such as Chan's scores) but to promote homophobia, thrash talking, butch acting, griping about judging, and in your face attitude to its skaters. After the 2008 season all mens skaters that were viewed as either possibly gay or effiminate in anyway were pushed to retire, hence the number of surprise retirements that off season. This is reflected in the disturbing attitudes and behavior of Patrick Chan, Scott Moir, even people like the international journeywomen Cynthia Phaneuf and her sense of entitlement and moaning she should have been named to Worlds even after a poor season and losing Nationals (when she should have been gleeful for a skate off). The hilarious thing is the CSA is seeing their TV ratings and audience numbers lower and lower to the point of the sport becoming irrelevant in Canada despite their success, with their new "philosophy".

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    re: The European possibility.

    I believe it's still Pechalat/Bourzat's to lose. If they do lose, it won't be to B/S or I/K, who can be counted on to make at least one major element-level error or several minor ones, but to W/P, who've seen their PCS skyrocket this season. At the very least, we'll see a skate from P/B like we saw at Skate America: skate to get the levels. The judges will give the GOES/PCS to do the rest (though I will say a minor key bronze like that would probably do more harm in the long run - a la Khoklova/Novitski). In a perfect world, C/L would definitely be in the hunt for the top five, but despite the two choreographic masterpieces they have this season, I just don't see it happening.

    re: D/W vs V/M

    If D/W do win, I hope it's on the strength of the SD. Yeah, they have the highest scoring FD of the season (thanks to a computer error, lets be fair), but they have the highest scoring SD ever (which is more remarkable when you remember the ceiling is lower this year), and I think V/M's SD has been changed way too often - it's just not a thrilling program like it was as a FD, a show dance, or even how it could potentially be without the massive changes we saw at Nationals/4CC.

    re: Audience friendly music

    I think skating well to challenging music is better than skating well to unchallenging music. Of course, what's challenging for one team might be a breeze for another. Things like cultural specificity certainly enter into the arena in complex ways. But at the same time, when we complain about warhorses, isn't that in part because "we" have deemed them (at least somewhat) easier to skate to? Carmen has been on the Olympic podium more often than not it seems (Nagasu was fourth in 2010, but 2006, 2002, 1998.... ). But the idea that someone should be marked down because they don't cater to the audience via music choice is absurd to me. Granted, watching I/K's "Ave Maria" makes me understand that it's not so absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by all that View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised. Charlie also gets level 4s for his butterfly leap. That's why he's included it in every FD he's skated as a senior.
    Not quite. It wasn't in last year's tango program.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8LN0akCSAY

    But it certainly is back in DF.

    And IP, yes, I/K's music does come to my mind too. (V&M's FF isn't bad enough to make that cut for a proposed music penalty.) After all, we have music penalties for "not uplifting" (yes, we do, it's just hasn't been taken on anybody yet) and for "no strong beat"; I would love to see one for "makes you want to tear your ears off".

    Bad cuts.
    Screeching voices.

    (Things easy to avoid when choosing music.)

    DomShab's Aborigine OD comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    The CSA has tried hard to not only politik harder behind the scenes (reflective in things such as Chan's scores) but to promote homophobia, thrash talking, butch acting, griping about judging, and in your face attitude to its skaters. After the 2008 season all mens skaters that were viewed as either possibly gay or effiminate in anyway were pushed to retire, hence the number of surprise retirements that off season. This is reflected in the disturbing attitudes and behavior of Patrick Chan, Scott Moir, even people like the international journeywomen Cynthia Phaneuf and her sense of entitlement and moaning she should have been named to Worlds even after a poor season and losing Nationals (when she should have been gleeful for a skate off). The hilarious thing is the CSA is seeing their TV ratings and audience numbers lower and lower to the point of the sport becoming irrelevant in Canada despite their success, with their new "philosophy".
    Ouch pangtongfan. I have to say I don't like some of the comments from Chan, Moir and Joubert. I am not sure about politicking how skating federations can do that or how it works. My opinion, and it is just that, Chan and V and M are very good. I actually think though I like the personalities more of D and W; I do believe V and M are vastly underscored on PCS next to D and W. And while D and W are very good, no excellent they really aren't all that special other than one of the current top teams. A team like Torvill and Dean, Usova and Zhulin, Klimova and Pomanrenko or even G and G are rare and few. I would say there was more politicking for the Shibutanis tog et bronze last year than Chan's high PCS. Several teams could have been held up against S squared.

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    Actually, PTfan is talking about the Canadian Standards Association an organization unrelated to skating. Maybe Scott/Patrick and Cynthia are cooperating on a new electrical invention? Ratings for the CSA are always high and likely to remain so as every company who makes toasters needs their services.

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    Good one. The correct designation for the federation in question is Skate Canada (or SC), is it not?

    And while you might like to think D&W's PCS are off (and might mark them differently), when you read what is actually in the rules for grading PCS (and what is not), their PCS grades are pretty much correct.

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...les&highlight=

    We hashed this out in detail in the above thread. If someone would like to discuss this some more, I'll bring the thread back from the archive, because it has all the rules typed out, with video examples to illustrate.

    And, if anyone would like, I can go through the rules for Technical marks the same way.

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    Chan hasn`t said anything really controversial lately aside from that out of context article in a chinese newspaper the judges are 100% in his corner he can win competitions whith three or four falls so he doesn`t really have to complain about anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...les&highlight=

    We hashed this out in detail in the above thread. If someone would like to discuss this some more, I'll bring the thread back from the archive, because it has all the rules typed out, with video examples to illustrate.

    And, if anyone would like, I can go through the rules for Technical marks the same way.
    It would be great if you'd do that for the technical marks, and if there's any way both could be permanently available as stickies, I'd be very grateful. That thread was a wonderful reference. There have been times when I thought of doing your "tutorial" but could not remember where it was. Thank you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    The CSA has tried hard to not only politik harder behind the scenes (reflective in things such as Chan's scores) but to promote homophobia, thrash talking, butch acting, griping about judging, and in your face attitude to its skaters. After the 2008 season all mens skaters that were viewed as either possibly gay or effiminate in anyway were pushed to retire, hence the number of surprise retirements that off season. This is reflected in the disturbing attitudes and behavior of Patrick Chan, Scott Moir, even people like the international journeywomen Cynthia Phaneuf and her sense of entitlement and moaning she should have been named to Worlds even after a poor season and losing Nationals (when she should have been gleeful for a skate off). The hilarious thing is the CSA is seeing their TV ratings and audience numbers lower and lower to the point of the sport becoming irrelevant in Canada despite their success, with their new "philosophy".
    Thank you for the funniest post of the year so far. Skate Canada has not been promoting homophobia, Chan & Moir's attitudes are harding "disturbing", and all I got out of Cynthia's remarks were her disappointment in not making the team. The audience numbers are holding their own and live events are pretty close to sold out.

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    I think what Pangtongfan's post was referring to was this controversy. Here is how it was reported in the United States. (In this article it's more Elvis Stojko than Skate Canada officials, but still... : ) )

    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=74...1#.T2Pa_VF5nHh

    As i recall, the sequence of events was that Skate Canada came out with a plan to emphasize to the media the macho-ness of men's figure skating. When a gay backlash occurred, Skate Canada was forced to retreat to the position, no, no, all groups are welcome in figure skating -- it's just the frilly lacy sequined costumes that we don't like.

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