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    Nagasu mentioned in her pre-Nationals media teleconference call that her mother was driving her to the Palm Springs/Cathedral City rink a couple times a week (not 5 days a week) and that she also trained at the rinks in Artesia and Lake Arrowhead.

    She is scheduled to perform in the Skating Club of Boston's 100th anniversary production of ICE CHIPS as a special guest with Lysacek on March 31st at 1 pm and 7 pm, and April 1st at 2 pm at Harvard’s Bright Arena in Cambridge, Mass., so it's likely we'll hear more news about her then.

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    It seems that Mirai thrives with a good training partner (Evan) and consistency. She was at her best when she emulated his training habits.

    Since Frank moved, she's not skating at the same rink as she was during the last Olympics. Thus, the long commute a couple of times a week.

    It seems that she either needs to leave Frank to work with someone every day in the immediate area or she needs to move closer to Frank to work consistently with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    If that's the case, I'm sure she would be pressured even more to delivered if her family is accruing the additional cost of housing and training elsewhere. There are, I'm sure, two sides to this story. From the family's perspective, they are making tremendous sacrifices for her skating, and by some accounts she isn't giving it her "all". If she is financially able to make it on her own, and her family's pressure is too much, she would have left. If she is dependent on them financially and wants to leave, she should go to school or find a less expensive hobby. She can't expect not to have pressure to deliver when they are paying for very expensive coaching and she isn't trying her best.
    This is a situation that has ended with a promising skater giving it up altogether. Ann Patrice McDonough had a parent who was so strict and demanding of her that AP became more and more unhappy and finally quit. When I see Mirai's expressionless performances I am reminded of AP.

    Sometimes parents become too involved in their children's training to the point where they become a demotivator. Yes, parents are paying for the training, but it's better to be supportive of the child's efforts instead of being overcritical of the results.
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    It is too bad that all Nagasu threads point out a difficult situation with no current remedy unless Mirai wanst it bad enough to order her life differently. I am sure Frank could find her a very nice skating family and she could resume working hard. The other possibility is looking at other top coaches who might want to work with her. Maybe kristy Krall would welcome Mirai, and she could train with the best skater and current winner of all. Again, she has to move away, but she would be doing that if she were going to college instead of doing elite skating.

    You can't feel sorry for Mirai if she and her family/team don't change the failing formula into a winning one. She has the talent, but maybe is getting tired of the whole thing. Watching Ashley's star rise above her own and hearing all about Gracie Gold, maybe Mirai is discouraged. She had a couple glorious seasons. She may not evolve into what we all needed but she is in charge of how much she wants to train, or change her life. I was frustrated watching her this season, and thought it was wrong music, dull choreo, unattractive costume-all needed change. But mirai does not perhaps want to make the change to become the best. She may lack the killer gene that Yuna, Mao, Miki, Plushenko and others had to move faraway to be the best, try something new. Mirai maybe has tasted what is needed and is unwilling to do that. She's a sweet girl. I wish her the best. Maaybe we will see 2010 Mirai again, or maybe we won't. She was wonderful, and her two programs were wonderful to watch. She belonged there with Yuna, Mao and Joannie. No one will forget her who watched the skating Olympics. She has achieved much.

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    I wonder if Mirai would ever go to Orser? I remember an article after the Olympics came out and Brian was complimenting Mirai and said he'd like to coach her/a skater like her or something. He seems to have helped Elene and especially Javi become more consistent, and with Yuna and Adam gone and Christina likely to switch her training base to SCOB either this upcoming year or the year after depending on when she starts Harvard, he would likely have enough time to devote to Mirai. It seems like they have a nice setup at the Cricket Club and that his skaters enjoy living and training in Toronto. Idk. Could potentially be a good move. Plus then she'd be close to Lori and could work with her more often.

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    Mirai would have to move far from home to train with Orser. Even if they could afford it, Mirai's parents probably would not give their approval.

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    I would love Orser to train Joannie Rochette and bring her back into fighting form. And they are both Canadians which would be nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I don't think she needs to make any drastic lifestyle changes like moving away from home. She got to the top before living at home, so there's no reason she can't do it again. Moving out isn't going to make her skating more mature; better choreography will. Even with her programs this year, had she been clean she would have medalled at Nationals and likely made the World team. What she loses in commute time she might make up for in the comfort and security of living with her family.
    Agreed, especially if she only goes to Palm Springs twice a week. And her previous rink at Lake Arrowhead wasn't that close either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Mirai has alluded to the fact that her family has extremely high expectations when it comes to her performances, so living at home may bring so much pressure that it more than outweighs 'comfort and security'.
    Agree with this, but I think Mirai also put a lot of pressure on herself internally, and probably fells pressure from Carroll, whether he intends it or not. Many feel because of reports of poor training habits, Mirai doesn't care about her skating. I remember a post competition interview after 2009 Nats where she was very embarassed after placing a lowly 5th. She vowed never to finish so poorly again. Now she placed 7th, her worst senior Nats ever, and I am sure she is very embarassed again.

    I think she believes she trained adequately for Nat's, and still finished poorly, and probably doesn't know what to do next. I watched many of her practices in San Jose, and she certainly appeared prepared. I think it is just the pressure that did her in. An observation, the best competition in 2 years was at 4CC when Frank wasn't at the boards, but his assistant was. Maybe she needs Frank for preparation, but at the venue needs someone who will have her loose, less tense, less nervous.

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    Mirai's practices at Nationals were perfect and skated with emotion. But when it came time for the performance, all the energy and emotion was gone and she skated like a robot. Mirai CAN do it, but she just doesn't do it when it counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Mirai's practices at Nationals were perfect and skated with emotion. But when it came time for the performance, all the energy and emotion was gone and she skated like a robot. Mirai CAN do it, but she just doesn't do it when it counts.
    Hmm, interesting...thought she pulled it together well at '09 Natls (FS) and again at '10 Natls and Olys...Wonder what has happened since then. She seemed to have at least SOME mental toughness, even if she was no MK in consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Mirai has alluded to the fact that her family has extremely high expectations when it comes to her performances, so living at home may bring so much pressure that it more than outweighs 'comfort and security'.
    I witnessed that pressure at Nationals in 2009. Her family did place extreme high expectations. Her mom paid for additional ice time 2or 3 times a DAY!! I could see the frustration on Mirai's face at practice sessions where her mom was discussing the practice with Mirai and at that time her coach Charlene Wong. She cried at almost every session I witnessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vicky458 View Post
    I witnessed that pressure at Nationals in 2009. Her family did place extreme high expectations. Her mom paid for additional ice time 2or 3 times a DAY!! I could see the frustration on Mirai's face at practice sessions where her mom was discussing the practice with Mirai and at that time her coach Charlene Wong. She cried at almost every session I witnessed.
    And she cried before the actual performance too. Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vicky458 View Post
    I witnessed that pressure at Nationals in 2009. Her family did place extreme high expectations. Her mom paid for additional ice time 2or 3 times a DAY!! I could see the frustration on Mirai's face at practice sessions where her mom was discussing the practice with Mirai and at that time her coach Charlene Wong. She cried at almost every session I witnessed.
    Aren't you jumping to conclusions? If you weren't privy to the discussions between Mirai, her mother and her coach, how do you know that her family was placing 'extreme high expectations' on her, or why she was crying?

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    At Nationals, there was something going on with her finger or nail that she was obsessing over before the performance and right afterwards as well. I knew as she was going on the ice the concentration wasn't there.....ah well....

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