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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Then he wouldn't be invited to the radio show before the worlds. That is how they do business in mass media.
    No, he should not have gone on the radio at this time of the season. The mass media can invite experts and commentators in no official capacity.

    So, basically you are saying he shouldn't go to the radio show in the first place.
    Right.

    Would you be also angry if he came and said how good Chan is and blah-blah? I am sure you wouldn't. But praising Chan is inappropriate, unprofessional and unethitcal too, because it would be the same politicking. Still you wouldn't have any problems with that.
    I am not angry or pleased either way. It's not just about Chan, whose competition results would be least affected by his comments one way or another. Chan earns his marks by rules judges have to go by and he is far ahead enough to have a margin for purposeful lowballing. It is simply not appropriate nor professionally ethical or courteous for Lakernik to say what he says about the judges and the skaters at this particular time. He was talking like a skating fan while being in a position of power and influence. At the very least, he should avoid appearing to be biased, or lobbying or politicking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    It is simply not appropriate nor professionally ethical or courteous for Lakernik to say what he says about the judges and the skaters at this particular time. He was talking like a skating fan while being in a position of power and influence. At the very least, he should avoid appearing to be biased, or lobbying or politicking.
    I agree with this. If Lakernik has ideas for how to improve the judging system -- my goodness, he is the chairman of the committee where most of these ideas originate and through which they all must pass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I agree with this. If Lakernik has ideas for how to improve the judging system -- my goodness, he is the chairman of the committee where most of these ideas originate and through which they all must pass!
    Except for the fact that he was asked about Patrick. Unfortunately Chan's scores are getting more and more controversial... He IS the poster child for the excesses of IJS. Perhaps he feels the need as the head of the technical committee to say, we are going to start doing something about this reputation scoring. Not to mention perhaps Chan's Team needs to hear that the gravy train will be ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    Except for the fact that he was asked about Patrick.
    So? That's not a good reason. He also brought him up unasked and commented on a number of other skaters who, more than Chan, may be more vulnerable and psychologically affected.

    Unfortunately Chan's scores are getting more and more controversial... He IS the poster child for the excesses of IJS. Perhaps he feels the need as the head of the technical committee to say, we are going to start doing something about this reputation scoring. Not to mention perhaps Chan's Team needs to hear that the gravy train will be ending.
    You can say and claim all these things as a skating fan but Mr. Lakernik would have to weigh his words carefully and be accountable for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    Perhaps he feels the need as the head of the technical committee to say, we are going to start doing something about this reputation scoring.
    I do not see that he "needs to say" anything to the Moscow radio audience. As head of the technical committee he is in a position to do something about it, not just chat about it.

    Frankly, I don't think that Lakernik's comments are a big deal one way or another. But if we compare this situation to the Joe Inman letter, I see a big difference. Inman wrote to his fellow judges and told them, stop giving high marks to Plushenko's transitions.

    Well, so what? Joe Inman is one judge among dozens of equally well qualified and confident colleagues. There is no reason why a judge must follow the advice of Joe Inman.

    But now Alexander Lakernik says to the judges, stop giving Chan such high program component scores. Well, Lakernik is not just Joe Blow. He is a high ranking ISU official. He sits on the ISU council and chairs the ISU's most powerful committee. This is a different thing altogether, IMHO.

    Not to mention perhaps Chan's Team needs to hear that the gravy train will be ending.
    Is this the way the ISU communicates to "Chan's team?" They hope that Lori Nichol might be tuned in to a talk show on Moscow radio? If the chairman of the ISU technical committee wants to consider changes in the scoring system or in the judges' training seminars to address the issue of reputation judging, that's great. To go on the radio in order to give sideways hints that the gravy train ride is over, chumps -- that's just childish (if indeed, this was Lakernik's intent, which I doubt).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    Except for the fact that he was asked about Patrick. Unfortunately Chan's scores are getting more and more controversial... He IS the poster child for the excesses of IJS. Perhaps he feels the need as the head of the technical committee to say, we are going to start doing something about this reputation scoring. Not to mention perhaps Chan's Team needs to hear that the gravy train will be ending.
    Do you think it's all right that he passive-aggresively wonders about S/S ("perhaps they weren't ready. Perhaps they were scared")? Because to me that's straight up disingenous plotting. Is it possible to say something like "judges had this idea that he is the best thing in figure skating, and they give him PCS accordingly. We have to deal with it," and then be fair marking said skater? Isn't is possible to say the same things without mentioning skaters in general
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    Quote Originally Posted by skateflower View Post
    Judges and technical specialists are corrupt. The difference is that corrupt Russian judges put it out in the open, while western judges always try to be politically correct.
    I totally agree. No one is better than the other. And I would take the Russian way. At least they don't add another mask on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    I dunno, seniorita. Inman sent his comments to other judges and the email was leaked to the media, as I understand it. Lakernik did this in an interview with the press. I'd argue that the latter intended a more open forum.

    Not that neither Inman nor Lakernik are inherently wrong in their comments.
    Inman was playing a political game while Lakernik is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsfan View Post
    Inman was playing a political game while Lakernik is not.
    Wow! You don't think this is a political game too?!

    I think it is a good year to start smoothing the path for Sochi, don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsfan View Post
    Inman was playing a political game while Lakernik is not.
    And you know their intentions how?

    It could be that either or both was acting with purely educational motives, perhaps somewhat naively, and it's the fans and other federations with agendas who are playing a political game at spinning their comments to look political, or more political than they were intended.

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    Well, he didn't bring up Gachinski's PCS questioned by many fans, not that such question would be posed to him in Russia. Intentionally or not, a high ranking and involved official should avoid any public indication of biases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Well, he didn't bring up Gachinski's PCS questioned by many fans, not that such question would be posed to him in Russia. Intentionally or not, a high ranking and involved official should avoid any public indication of biases.
    Especially such opinions and biases could be well used to shape the opinions and biases of the public and everyone involved. It's like using the crowd to give pressure to the judges for the outcomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    And you know their intentions how?

    It could be that either or both was acting with purely educational motives, perhaps somewhat naively, and it's the fans and other federations with agendas who are playing a political game at spinning their comments to look political, or more political than they were intended.
    What I think is that Inman had a bee in his bonnet about how judges were ignoring the letter and spirit of the CoP in marking components, and this opportunity came up for him to preach about it. Lakernik, I think is just speaking casually and candidly off the cuff about this and that. I don't think either of them is trying to do anything sinister.

    Yes, they should have avoided language that made it seem they were picking on particular skaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    He also brought him up unasked and commented on a number of other skaters
    Oh my dear. Do you know how it sounds? You claim you know what he brought up unasked and commented in Russian when you don't speak Russian. And then, you say someone else is politicking.
    You can bother to actually click on the link to the radion station and listen. You do recognize how some Russian names sound. The female voice is a radio journalist who asks questions, the male voice is Lakernik. You will hear Chan, Makarova, Shelepen. Wagner, Volosozhar/Trankov and others said by a female voice first, then by a male. Hope that will finally help.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I do not see that he "needs to say" anything to the Moscow radio audience. As head of the technical committee he is in a position to do something about it, not just chat about
    That is what I am afarid of. That all this stuff is just a PR work for the Russian audience in the spirit of Sochi and at the official ISU congress, meetings, etc. nothing will be done.

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    Don't think for a minute that Sochi was not very much in his mind during this interview. I expect to see big changes with respect to scoring leading up to Shochi, and the men's event will be much more competitive as a result.

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