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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    At this point, there's no way Japan is going to throw away their future (Hanyu) - he's here to stay. Takahashi is their star (World Champion and Olympic medalist) - he's here to stay too.

    It's a fight between Kozuka and Oda. But with a World Silver, I think JFS is more in favour of keeping Kozuka.

    Kozuka is much better than Oda. He wasn't great here, but artistically, he is way, way above Oda. Oda is all about the tech, and when he makes counting mistakes all the time, it doesn't leave much left. Further, his consistency suffered once he regularly started trying the quad in his programs, and at this point, he'd need a quad in the SP and FS to be competitive, especially with the way his PCS are and being the number 4 Japanese man. I tend to think he's done and will retire, but if he choses to continue, he'll only be going to 4CC post nationals, I highly doubt he makes another World or Olympics team unless he improves drastically in terms of artistry and/or Dai or Kozu has a sudden downfall, which I don't see happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Kozuka is much better than Oda. He wasn't great here, but artistically, he is way, way above Oda. Oda is all about the tech, and when he makes counting mistakes all the time, it doesn't leave much left. Further, his consistency suffered once he regularly started trying the quad in his programs, and at this point, he'd need a quad in the SP and FS to be competitive, especially with the way his PCS are and being the number 4 Japanese man. I tend to think he's done and will retire, but if he choses to continue, he'll only be going to 4CC post nationals, I highly doubt he makes another World or Olympics team unless he improves drastically in terms of artistry and/or Dai or Kozu has a sudden downfall, which I don't see happening.
    I feel so bad for Oda, 'cause honestly, I think he's going to be dumped by JFS next season. He is probably going to continue until Sochi, but you're right, unless he proves to JFS he is capable of being a world champion, it's bye bye to Worlds and Olympics.

    I think Oda is a very entertaining skater. His latest programs have been very underwhelming imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    I feel so bad for Oda, 'cause honestly, I think he's going to be dumped by JFS next season. He is probably going to continue until Sochi, but you're right, unless he proves to JFS he is capable of being a world champion, it's bye bye to Worlds and Olympics.

    I think Oda is a very entertaining skater. His latest programs have been very underwhelming imho.
    Oda is the odd man out among the top Japanese skaters. Daisuke is a consistent performer and a big draw for Japanese skating fans. Kozuka shows results and has blueblood connections. The young Hanyu has innate talent and is a marketer's dream. He is youthful, good-looking, more sociable than Kozuka, and the media plays off him being a survivor of the earthquake's effects in Sendai. It remains to be seen if he can adapt to changes in his body and deal with his stamina issues as training sessions get lengthier and more intense. Nonetheless, the JSF has struck gold with Hanyu both as an athlete and a marketing icon.

    Most of all, these three guys have avoided personal scandals that have affected their professions. After the blunder at 2010 Worlds, Oda had an opportunity to right wrongs but he had a nasty fall at Beijing and then a critical Zayak incident at Moscow. He's going to have to pull something really special next season if intends to compete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    I feel so bad for Oda, 'cause honestly, I think he's going to be dumped by JFS next season. He is probably going to continue until Sochi, but you're right, unless he proves to JFS he is capable of being a world champion, it's bye bye to Worlds and Olympics.

    I think Oda is a very entertaining skater. His latest programs have been very underwhelming imho.
    I have a hard time feeling bad for Oda. He's a great skater, but he's been given numerous opportunities and he's managed to throw them away how many times? Now if he was for the USA, ala Abbott he'd get passes because they've got no one else. But he skates for Japan and those other three Japanese guys have delivered world medals for Japan. The fact that Hanyu did it his first time out, says it all.

    Great skater though and it sucks for him. But if he had skated like he was capable of multiple times, he'd not be in this position. I think in any fed, Oda would be the odd guy out It does suck though because any other fed would welcome Oda with open arms. Oh I guess I do feel bad, but I think at this point he's earned the no 4 status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    I have a hard time feeling bad for Oda. He's a great skater, but he's been given numerous opportunities and he's managed to throw them away how many times? Now if he was for the USA, ala Abbott he'd get passes because they've got no one else. But he skates for Japan and those other three Japanese guys have delivered world medals for Japan. The fact that Hanyu did it his first time out, says it all.

    Great skater though and it sucks for him. But if he had skated like he was capable of multiple times, he'd not be in this position. I think in any fed, Oda would be the odd guy out It does suck though because any other fed would welcome Oda with open arms. Oh I guess I do feel bad, but I think at this point he's earned the no 4 status.
    Nah...only in the Japanese federation he's the odd one out. Unfortunately, I don't think there is any other country he can skate for in such short notice (assuming he wants to go to the Olympics).

    Hanyu is indeed a marketer's dream, and so is Daisuke -recovering so quickly from a career threatening injury, winning the first Olympic medal for Japan a few months after recovery, etc. Their story speaks volume of their dedication, perseverance and strength. We are prone to emotional, heart-felt stories and these guys deliver it very well.

    Oda, on the other hand, has a string of unfortunate mishaps (and this is being generous). He's the only Japanese elite skater with a known significant other, and also a son. I think that's just only selling point right now...he's skating for his family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    I feel so bad for Oda, 'cause honestly, I think he's going to be dumped by JFS next season. He is probably going to continue until Sochi, but you're right, unless he proves to JFS he is capable of being a world champion, it's bye bye to Worlds and Olympics.

    I think Oda is a very entertaining skater. His latest programs have been very underwhelming imho.
    Maybe he should skate pairs with Satoko Miyahara?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    I have a hard time feeling bad for Oda. He's a great skater, but he's been given numerous opportunities and he's managed to throw them away how many times? Now if he was for the USA, ala Abbott he'd get passes because they've got no one else. But he skates for Japan and those other three Japanese guys have delivered world medals for Japan. The fact that Hanyu did it his first time out, says it all.

    Great skater though and it sucks for him. But if he had skated like he was capable of multiple times, he'd not be in this position. I think in any fed, Oda would be the odd guy out It does suck though because any other fed would welcome Oda with open arms. Oh I guess I do feel bad, but I think at this point he's earned the no 4 status.
    I hope Oda will seriously consider skating for the U.S. That’ll be a win-win situation—good for him and good for the U.S.

    **Actually, I secretly wish the U.S. will adopt Hanyu so the U.S. will win OGMs in 2014 and 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor2014 View Post
    I hope Oda will seriously consider skating for the U.S. That’ll be a win-win situation—good for him and good for the U.S.

    **Actually, I secretly wish the U.S. will adopt Hanyu so the U.S. will win OGMs in 2014 and 2018.
    LOL even if the US will adopt Hanyu, Hanyu won't go. He has too much pride in his home town (Sendai) and country. I read someone in the US was willing to offer him training facility after the earthquake last year, but he rejected the offer. Sendai will always be close to his heart.

    If Oda competes for the US, there is no doubt he will be a top contender even if he screws himself over with the jumps. But realistically, given his age and 2 years until Sochi, there's no way he can switch countries at this point unless he plans for the 2018 games. Like someone said, his best bet is to skate pairs with that tiny Japanese junior champion assuming she doesn't outgrow him =_=

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
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    Oda, on the other hand, has a string of unfortunate mishaps (and this is being generous). He's the only Japanese elite skater with a known significant other, and also a son. I think that's just only selling point right now...he's skating for his family.

    And that sell me in, I root for him harder since he has a child.

    I like Oda when I watched him on TV but after I have a chance to watch him live I think I understand why he is in his position. He has many good quality, but he is not skate big and do really have the attack and command or something that make him stand out like the other 3 Japanese have.

    But since I watched him this year which is the season that he has an injury, may be my assessment is not right.

    I hope to see him continue and win world medal. (At if he has more chance skating for US, great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    Nah...only in the Japanese federation he's the odd one out. Unfortunately, I don't think there is any other country he can skate for in such short notice (assuming he wants to go to the Olympics).

    Hanyu is indeed a marketer's dream, and so is Daisuke -recovering so quickly from a career threatening injury, winning the first Olympic medal for Japan a few months after recovery, etc. Their story speaks volume of their dedication, perseverance and strength. We are prone to emotional, heart-felt stories and these guys deliver it very well.

    Oda, on the other hand, has a string of unfortunate mishaps (and this is being generous). He's the only Japanese elite skater with a known significant other, and also a son. I think that's just only selling point right now...he's skating for his family.
    What I meant is if other federations had Daisuke, Hanyu,Kozuka, and Oda, Oda would probably be the odd one out with them too. The Japanese are blessed with ridiculous amount of riches.

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    Back to the thread title and the originating article, Mr. Yoshioka evidently was aiming to pump up the Japanese skaters. He was not far off, with four medals won at this Worlds - two medals in Men's, one Bronze in Ladies, and, to his surprise and beyond his hope I'm sure, a history making Bronze in Pairs!

    Congratulations, Japan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Back to the thread title and the originating article, Mr. Yoshioka evidently was aiming to pump up the Japanese skaters. He was not far off, with four medals won at this Worlds - two medals in Men's, one Bronze in Ladies, and, to his surprise and beyond his hope I'm sure, a history making Bronze in Pairs!

    Congratulations, Japan!
    I echo you. Japan, applause and felicitations! And thanks for the many lovely moments you gave us at this year's Worlds.

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