03-30-2012, 02:14 AM
I have no clear answer to who should have been sent to Worlds this year. What I was pointing out was that there seems to be this strong tradition of anointing winners in America and this kind of practice can create an environment where skaters end up not being properly motivated or trained.
Originally Posted by R.D.
Alissa at her best, even when she was landing triples, always had small jumps with loooonnng set-ups and she was always a slow skater and these things didn't seem to reflect on her scores just as long as she was landing some jumps (and all the talk was about how out of this world her spins were and her spins were so good they were worth triple jumps---really?). If only these things hadn't been ignored, maybe Alissa wouldn't now be skating at Worlds, or she may be skating at Worlds but with a different mindset.
03-30-2012, 04:28 AM
Whichever judge gave Alena Leonova a 9.00 for Skating Skills, Performance/Execution, Choreography/Composition, and Interpretation should be banned as a judge. Now. All the other judges gave her low 8s, 7s, and high 6s. If this isn't favoritism and overwhelming bias, I don't know what is.
03-30-2012, 07:36 AM
That's kind of a surprising comment. First off, have American ladies' skaters been appreciably more beautiful than skaters of other countries? Prettier than YuNa Kim or Shizuka? Prettier than Katarina Witt?
Originally Posted by hurrah
Second, have the top-ranked skaters been more beautiful than the runners-up? Certainly Alissa is beautiful, and certainly Michelle and Sasha are also, but so are Jennifer Kirk and Caroline Zhang, who have never been champions. (And I think we can agree that Michelle and Sasha became and remained champions for reasons other than their appearance.)
Several of our other top skaters are cute but were far from glamorous in their skating heyday--partly because they were such young teenagers: Kimmie Meissner, Sarah Hughes, Tara Lipinski, Naomi Nari Nam. (I realize that Sarah and Naomi were never national champs.)
I'm not trying to set up any kind of judging system for looks. These accomplished ladies are all beautiful to me. But I just wanted to point out that the beauty pageant notion doesn't seem to apply as a criterion for American champions.
03-30-2012, 08:11 AM
This seems to be an Alissa Czisny thread rather than the Ladies SP thread 2012 from Nice.
Just give Alissa a break, remember the good things Grand Prix final Champion, 2 times Us champion and 5th last year.
All skaters have off days, I should know, we are just human.
03-30-2012, 08:22 AM
Deleted, posted in the wrong thread by mistake, my apologies.
03-30-2012, 08:24 AM
i agree Gracie is great but she mad a choice to skate junior. let her grow and devele at her own pace don't push.
03-30-2012, 09:33 AM