The stuff Ingo is doing with s and s is amazing and he'd have even more room in dance.Originally Posted by sky_fly20
The stuff Ingo is doing with s and s is amazing and he'd have even more room in dance.
I agree with all of thisI am sometimes noticing Sinitsina maybe is getting some ugly Brobrova posturewhile B/S are done and will be going downhill starting from here
its not too late for S/Z, its still very early and will get their senior debut, perfect time to leave Kustarova
Kustarova is good with juniors but fails to transition them into seniors, very prehistoric and her training styles are limited
Also I don't like that they are copying dw's music. They are their own team and need their own style. If they do DF next year I will flip a ****.
Thank you for this. They have lovely technique, this is only their second year as senior ice dancers, they should be given a fair chance to evolve their talent, style and vision. I am sure they were as surprised as anyone at their rapid success last year. As an ice dance fan and an American I am proud of them.
They shibs are very clean and strong technically. I just don't find them interesting to watch
is romance the only emotion that is acceptable for couples? I don't think so.
Ditto from me.
They have very pure technique, are exceptionally musical, and show a unique and infectious chemistry that does not require fawning or choreographed pawing of each other.
They have accomplished things at ages which have never been done before and this has certainly been the "season of backlash" for having "broken" long-standing traditional rules such as waiting-your-turn. As a fan of all disciplines of the sport for over 40 years, and a fan of many sports that I follow closely, they stand out for having a striking blend of athleticism, artistry, humility, class, and intelligence which they display both on and off the ice. I too am so very proud of them. Someone in another thread compared their career trajectory to one like Michele Kwan's, where there was tremendous early success, but certainly some bumps along the way, all of which she handled with dignity, and showed growth which was real, not contrived, every step of the way. I very much agree and will be enjoying following these two beautiful young people for hopefully many years to come.
Mrs. P., your admonitions to get this anonymous peanut gallery to behave and keep it "classy" is so logically consistent with your thoughtful comments in general, and your support of Maia and Alex in particular.
Last edited by lcd; 03-29-2012 at 08:38 PM.
1. D/W received two tens from the same judge for the CoR SD, which involved a noticeable slip from Charlie that threw off the timing for a considerable portion of the dance. That was also the event where D/W scored the highest PCS ever in the FD.
2. I take comfort in the fact that had D/W won and V/M lost, we'd be hearing the same conspiracies with different twists: that Shpilband was now politicking the American team hard (his nationality, after all), that SC was spending it's political clout elsewhere (Chan), that the 4CC victory was merely a make-up for the GPF loss, etc
3. That stated, there was a LOT going on here that I think can be explained by going off the ice for a minute. NOT included is Scott's remarks at the GPF - I'm surprised at how many people think that that TRULY affected the results.
4. Recalling the following things
a) This was the season that the next-in-line teams needed to close the gap to have a shot at Sochi gold (which, btw, I think is far more realistic now than I thought two weeks ago)
b) That there was a strong backlash against the scoring at the GPF (not merely the computer error, but the GOE/levels being handed out like candy)
c) That I believe the ISU thinks that one way to get interest in the sport is to constantly have high scores as we get closer to Sochi (which means that low scores need to happen somewhere)
d) That prominent members of the figure skating community - like Zhulin - have complained about the sky high PCS we're seeing the Canton crew get.
e) That the S/Z sweep in Moscow was likely to trigger a backlash.
f) That the Canton quartet are so close to the scoring ceiling that it's statistically quite difficult for them to increase their score
I think all those things played a role in D/W's marks (and V/M's ,but no one seems to mind that they didn't score a season's best). Next season will be fascinating.
Oh lcd, you're making me blushDitto from me.
They have very pure technique, are exceptionally musical, and show a unique and infectious chemistry that does not require fawning or choreographed pawing of each other.
They have accomplished things at ages which have never been done before and this has certainly been the "season of backlash" for having "broken" long-standing traditional rules such as waiting-your-turn. As a fan of all disciplines of the sport for over 40 years, and a fan of many sports that I follow closely, they stand out for having a striking blend of athleticism, artistry, humility, class, and intelligence which they display both on and off the ice. I too am so very proud of them. Someone in another thread compared their career trajectory to one like Michele Kwan's, where there was tremendous early success, but certainly some bumps along the way, all of which she handled with dignity, and showed growth which was real, not contrived, every step of the way. I very much agree and will be enjoying following these two beautiful young people for hopefully many years to come.
Mrs. P., your admonitions to get this anonymous peanut gallery to behave and keep it "classy" is so logically consistent with your thoughtful comments in general, and your support of Maia and Alex in particular.
No matter how they do, I will be always be fan of the Shibutanis because of who they are on AND off the ice. They are hard workers (even Johnny Weir noted that when they were young, they would skate extra sessions at the rink) and they never settle for anything less than perfection. I think their relatively disastrous outing here at Worlds was case of trying too hard (in fact, you can see that before they did that twizzle sequence, Alex was ready to work it and I think got distracted). I think they know that they are seen as too youthful or not mature and they SO badly wanted to change that image.
I find it weird they are perceived by many here as "juniors" because outside the ice they are really are classy and mature, while retaining their youthful enthusiasm. It just doesn't show in their programs sometimes.
They will be fine. They will come home, give a big thank you to their fans on their FB page, post all their fun photos from France and then get working on next season.I think they will rock the Yankee Polka next year.
As for the peanut gallery, I feel that you can fairly assess how a skater did without resort to name-caling, baseless opinions and the like. I think D/W and V/M got too much of that today.
Interesting thoughts! Finally something I can chew on. (NorthernDancers and SF, thanks for your thoughts as well). I agree that the next in-line teams (namely P/B and W/P) are close then they ever have been to the top two. I think I/K, C/L, the Shibs and B/S will fight for that No. 5 spot (i.e. the final group spot) next season. I think H/D will be the USA No. 3 team to beat and they will easily maintain their top 10 World status, along with R/T from Russia (though they might be booted out for the up-and-coming juniors.)
For all the outcry about Russia losing relevance, they actually did quite well here — Russian No. 1 and No. 2 did not beat USA No.1 but they both beat USA No. 2 (albeit they had help with a bad skate from the Shibs). Russia No. 3 beat USA No. 3, though not by much. Interesting that Canada No. 3 was pretty much a non-factor in this competition, but that didn't really matter because Canada No. 1 beat everyone and Canada No. 2 beat everyone from Russia and USA No. 2 and 3. Would be interested to see how P/I or G/P would fare if they got the No. 3 spot next year.
Just a question: How do you know the judge that gave 2 10s at Worlds was the COR judge? Aren't the scores randomly generated?
Last edited by Mrs. P; 03-29-2012 at 09:21 PM.
I must have been unclear. D/W received two tens from one judge at the CoR SD. Someone asked if D/W recieved a ten for SS when they fell. They didn't (nor did V/M). But D/W did receive the aforementioned tens (JHere). I'm gonna argue that that started a bit of a backlash - notice how D/W's PCS steadily decreased from then. The GPF scoring was so high that doris immediately postulated that the ISU would hand down some talking-tos, and Tanith Belbin mentioned that we shouldn't expect to see it that high again (indeed, that people are complaining that D/W didn't match that asserts they didn't).
I'm not talking about the fans, I'm talking about the athletes, specifically Scott Moir who showed his true colors at GPF, calling their losing (not the computer scoring error) a "piss off" after he fell. This incident made them so unlikeable as people. Good thing they somehow finagled a win this year, or we'd no doubt be treated to more colorful vocabulary.
After seeing CBC ' s broadcasting, I really think D/W should have won. I also enjoyed Italian and French team's performance a lot. I love Tessa Even more for admitting that was not a perfect skating, it's laughable That Scott said that there were small bubbles only they know. I as a not so keen dance fan already noticed them. one can also feel from the audience's reaction who had better performance tonight. feel sorry for the Americans.
Last edited by Ilvskating; 03-29-2012 at 10:14 PM.
A little bit off topic on this Worlds thread, but I had a completely different reading of Scott Moir's tirade at the Grand Prix Final. I thought it was in the spirit of, Doggone it! We''re the best team in the last five years; losing like this just isn't acceptable. We are going to start training tomorrow and come out like gangbusters for Worlds!
It is interesting how little things changed from last year. It was going to be DW or VM for gold and P/B for bronze. A huge mistake allowed S/S to win bronze instead of P/B. Still Russia can not enter into contention for a medal. This is disturbing and alarming for Russia because Weaver and Poje did enter into contention for a medal while none of the Russians team could. It is very distrubing and alrming because I/K did great. One of them or both messed up on the complusory patterns very bad because they got negative GOE on both CD's in the SD. How can I/K become the W/P next year? BobSol had distrubing technical problems in the FD. They need help. I/K needs major help to be Weaver Poje or Pech Bourz. If PechBourz had made a mistake once again a north american team was in positions to take advantage not a Russian team. They need major reforms.
Also with the Shibutatni's they missed the entire twizzle in the free dance. Not even a little credit like P/B got last year on the step sequence where they both fell. They just messed up here bad.
If D/W had lost on PCS alone, then I could completely understand some of their fans frustrations. However, they lost on PCS AND Technical. One of their step sequences, while exciting and well-performed, was not deemed as difficult as V/M's. Maybe there's some conspiracy to not give them the credit they deserve, but I think that explanation is a cop-out and is disrespectful to the team that won. Figure skating will NEVER be as objective as we all want it to be. Both D/W and V/M had fantastic seasons. Can we lay off the conspiracy theories and comment on the actual skating?
leafygreensI seriously doubt the judges care at all what Scott Moir thinks of them. I'd probably say the exact same thing if I felt that I worked my tail off to get to a certain point but it didn't pay off the way I wanted it to. People get frustrated, get over it.
I think it's laughable that people actually think the judges propped V/M up because Scott was upset in a media article. Seriously?
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