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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    I don't normally watch ice dance (think the results are pre-determined among other things) but just for the heck of it I watched Davis/White, and then Virtue/Moir. Can someone explain to me how V/M won the FD? Because from what I saw, D/W seemed to be the clear winners. Anyway, that did nothing to disprove my thoughts on the whole discipline...
    Unfortunately Doris seems to be MIA today...though I'm not sure if she could explain it either...

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    Virtue and Moir program more difficult better lifts, seriously those boring classical european dances are getting tiresome and D&W have clear flaws in their skating that their fans refuse to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paircheck View Post
    best free dance ... weaver/poje imo
    I second that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerLily View Post
    well yes, the LITTLE moments...I think it's perfectly nice program, just the others work better for me
    Well, I honestly don't remember any moment from D/W's program, just that they are great skaters with a very energetic performance. But they didn't create any magic for me. This is always the case for me with these two teams but last year D/W convinced me they were technically stronger. This year they didn't.

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    totally agree letoile.

    d/w should have got higher scores,
    v.m. made mistakes they skated they exact same way all season --yes they practice o--it showed. but polish program maybe best at worlds not worthy of a 110 not unless d/w gets same if not higher.

    bothy should have gotten a 107 if d/w got one so should have v.m.
    sorry cant congrat ogm medals-gold medalilst for 2012 worlds.

    but great job d/w and p/b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by romanoff81 View Post
    Virtue and Moir program more difficult better lifts, seriously those boring classical european dances are getting tiresome and D&W have clear flaws in their skating that their fans refuse to see.
    Hey, your favorite won OK? Please be civil to people who have a different opinion than you.

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    weaver and poje robbed of a medal they rocked both the sd and fd the medal will come and very soon i would not even discount them for Olympic gold in a couple years.

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    I missed watching it...anyone willing to post the top 4 FD's?

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    Seriously everyone. I hope people will respect people's opinions in this forum. I realize there are strong contingents for both, but let's just keep it classy, OK?

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    Can someone explain about the almost 2 pt TES difference between V/M & D/W. I am not protesting, just curious about differences, hoping someone more technically astute about ice dance than I would illuminate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auser View Post
    Can someone explain about the almost 2 pt TES difference between V/M & D/W. I am not protesting, just curious about differences, hoping someone more technically astute about ice dance than I would illuminate.
    Most of the margin (1.5) came from the base value when D/W got one more level 3. PCS added another .85. Oddly enough the +GOE (which explains how well-executed the program was) margin was the smallest at .35.

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    the techincal specialst for the dance is -CanadianTech Spec Marie BOWNESS CAN --you cant tell me this is rigged and conflict of interest that a canadian tech specialist is on the dance and v/m --politics rigged as usually
    Referee Katalin ALPERN ISR
    Tech Controller Christine HURTH AUT
    Asst Tech Spec Andrzej DOSTATNI POL

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    Which begs the question:

    At 4CC, D/W low score mostly came low levels (BV was 38 vs 40 today). Today they get better levels but worse +GOE (12.01 at 4CC vs. 10.93 today).

    So my question is, did D/W execution of today's program WAS 1.08 points WORSE than what they did at 4CC when Charlie looked like he was about to collapse?

    Just food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerLily View Post
    Shouldn't the components also reflect the fact that V/M free is basically the most forgettable among the final group?
    OMG, exactly. V/M's dances are difficult and boring, whereas D/W's are difficult and exciting (therefore harder to pull off). I think we have just witnessed that IJS, while it has rid dance of the Russians, has not gotten rid of the problems of rep, favoritism, skating order, and "saving room".

    The issue with levels really needs to be looked at. There is no explanation why one team is level 3 and the other level 4. "Their edges were deeper." Really? Show us. It sounds like an explanation pulled out of someone's bum to cover up favoritism.

    I think the problem of levels is not clear at all, even in singles and pairs, but at least with those disciplines you can clearly see when someone trips/falls/2-foots, but in dance (at least with these top teams) you can't see the "errors" at all.

    The only thing I can think of is that D/W are so good, that they keep getting picked apart for "mistakes" that aren't really there, and are judged harsher than some other teams who can just coast by. D/W are so flashy, fast, and outgoing (the opposite of V/M) that they are under the microscope and it appears as if the judges are taking off points, just so the judges can validate their own existence, and appear to be "fair" but it's going so far, that it's actually unfair.

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