03-30-2012, 09:53 PM
Yes, it is quite refreshing for a pairs team to try something risky and different. I give S/S and S a great deal of credit for what they have attempted and accomplished with Pina. OTOH, it is you who refer to "perfection," not me. Altho' I think S/S Pina is a mini-masterpiece, I never mentioned the word, "perfection." I agree that it would be interesting to see the concept/ choreography for Pina further explored, but I think it might give S/S and S more freedom to explore the work in an exhibition format, rather than bring it back for competition again next season. It is always interesting to see what programs S/S and S will choose for a new season.
Originally Posted by rain
I dislike the way in some quarters IMO S/S are not fully appreciated and recognized for their accomplishments and impact on the sport, however I am unconcerned regarding your reference to "anything less than effusive praise for S/S." IMHO, that is more like what ubers of Patrick Chan and V/M seem to become overwrought about.
Good for you too, rain, for expressing your opinions. However, you never mentioned exactly where you think S/S Pina "was meant to go." I agree with Tigger that there is not a lot of time under CoP to explore unique movements, so I think the work S/S and S have done with Pina, while perhaps it is not a complete and full masterpiece, it is a remarkable and winning effort. I disagree with your point about "crispness," because I think the movement style S/S were inspired by in the tribute film and in the work of Pina Bausch, has little to do with "crispness" and more to do with unpredictability and unexpectedness. You may have a point about the need for more "commitment" in their movements, but I think any perceived lack of that may ironically be due to the conflicting themes inherent within the movement style of Pina Bausch that S/S are seeking to express on ice (a surface that presents an additional layer of strictures and complications).
03-30-2012, 09:53 PM
what do you mean by appropriate? Then u can replace the judge.
03-30-2012, 11:59 PM
corrected. Silly me...
Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue
03-31-2012, 12:03 AM
Didn't know Mervin was dating Amelie! How fun that they were able to be at Worlds together!
Originally Posted by gardenernaga
03-31-2012, 01:11 AM
03-31-2012, 01:52 AM
1) the young Chinese - they have so much energy, the girl is adorable
2) both American pairs, especially the first one, it's their first year.
3) I haven't liked Dube since she won the World bronze, she's been falling all the time, like Mukhortova thus letting down her partner. The other Canadian pair makes progress every year, good for them. But something in them is not enough to be in the top three.
4) B/L - boting, too many errors. I'd rather see Davankova/Deputat as the third couple.
5) K/S - beuatiful program as all of theirs, Moskvina knows how to touch the hearts. Isn't it time for them to retire though...I'm sad coz I think they should have not come to Worlds and let down their country. It could have been the Euro bronze medalists, at least they could have tried themselves in the Worlds.
6) VT - a terrific comeback. If only they had skated the SP without a major mistake.
7) SS - I'm a huge fan of theirs. They have a unique styke. However I find this year's LP not good enough. They used to have much better programs. No major mistakes so I can't agree with them being SO behind VT in the LP.
I'm happy with the podium though)))
03-31-2012, 02:16 AM
I don't get how many say B/L boring , classical = boring ?
Originally Posted by gioccia
I think Bazarova has gorgeous lines, their lifts are amazing, if only they can fix their sbs inconsistencies
I don't think D/D will replace B/L by 2014, D/D will not even be eligible for seniors until 2013
even S/H who have a couple of seasons already as seniors are still not refined and considering Davankova will only be 15 in 2014
03-31-2012, 02:24 AM
and you get Laura Lepisto on the podium with double jumps I have to admit I enjoy the thrill of the big tricks...but in S/H defense, what they have over most of the other teams is daring, speed and a ton of charisma. Once they clean up their overall skating, they will be difficult to beat.
Originally Posted by museksk8r
03-31-2012, 02:31 AM
My thoughts on the paris FS:
1) T/T new stars!! Whoever taught them their elegant skating should teach S/H how to skate.
2) T/T's twist!! They were able to do double only last season. This season their triple is top notch. Whoever taught them their twist should teach K/S how to twist.
3) Congrats to P/T & K/S for fighting against ageism.
03-31-2012, 02:33 AM
I feel the same. Someone's prejudice seems so ridiculous. Anyway, SH would rise definitely in the coming seasons to Sochi.
Originally Posted by tampro1
03-31-2012, 04:50 AM
Let down their country? You would have rather they sent Stolbova and Klimov instead of Kavaguti and Smirnov?
Originally Posted by gioccia
What place do you think S/K would have got? 10th or 11th, certainly not 7th and that was with 2 major lift issues, without those they would have had a medal.
And don't forget if it wasn't for Smirnov's unfortunate surgery 3 months ago S/K wouldn't even have a medals from Europeans.
03-31-2012, 05:10 AM
I think he wanted Davankova/Deputat for the 3rd spot ( Age ineligibles for seniors )
Originally Posted by mousepotato
if they sent the alternate, Stolbova/Klimov would have finished below Berton/Hotarek and Russia would have gotten 2 spots, so no S/K are no options
K/S had many mistakes and they have not competed since GPF and had injuries
03-31-2012, 08:29 AM
they got hit hard already. just look at the PCS. That's considerable lower if you look at the margin with other teams. as happy as I am for T/T, hasn't there PCS jumped considerably? Even themselves were totally surprised. there PB increases by 10 points with one major mistakes on the 3S,down graded, and a two-foot landing on throw. that' s about the same level as what they did before, only difference is that she did not fall. but not rotating the jump is more costly. so all of a sudden 10 points more. judging is just so subjective. I really love T/T' s genuine reaction and theft are so cute and beautiful. I love them for quite a while. this is not raining on their parade. even the commentators didn't expect them winning. I guess
Originally Posted by Tigger
ISU were sending a message to P/T to compete the whole year or go home.
V/T were on fire and that was a superb LP! . aliona was cute to improvise at the end to fill the extra few seconds, an off night but congratulations for the 4th title.
03-31-2012, 09:51 AM
You are raining on their parade.
Originally Posted by Ilvskating
Their PCS was 6th or 7th in the short, 5th or 6th in the long program. Both time behind B/L who were skating to god know which music because there was no interpretation of anything. If anything, they were robbed on PCS, even on their winning day.
B/L should score about 10 points lower than their actual score. Their IN, PE, CH should be in the 4 or 5s. Even junior teams interpret and skate better programs than B/L.
03-31-2012, 12:51 PM