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    The Argentine tango did not originate in brothels. And really, the theme of prostitution and sex work would make for a dreadfully boring romantic partner dance: there's very little courtship, flirtation, suspense, give and take (beyond the haggling)... Just pass the cash and get on with it! Romantic dances symbolize mutual pleasure and passion. In prostitution, things are rather unequal and motivations are rarely mutual. If authenticity and the avoidance of the squick is what we're going for here, a romantic dance simulating prostitution would fail both ideals.

    The tango, like any other form of music adapted from folk origins, is music about life and all its varieties, not just romance.

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    Actually, the brother & sister Duchesnay's did an Argentine in 1988 that was based on a prostitution theme, but a pimp and a prostitute, rather than a customer and a prostitute, or at least it was said to be so based:

    Here it is:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEz1xYVO-aw

    Also there is a tradition of 2 men doing the Argentine as well. It would be cool to see the Shibs do that one, like Bobrova & Soloviev's Russian Sailors dance 2010 (Bobrova revealed herself as a girl at the ending pose, by removing her hat and letting her hair down)
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    Why are we talking about the Tango when the next two SDs are the Yankee Polka and the Finnstep?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Why are we talking about the Tango when the next two SDs are the Yankee Polka and the Finnstep?
    Because it's cited as one of the things the Shibs cannot do and will thus never get anywhere further in ice dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Business View Post
    Because it's cited as one of the things the Shibs cannot do and will thus never get anywhere further in ice dancing.
    Nah, the Shibs are committed athletes and will try everything to break down stereotypical barriers.that is where they earn my respect

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    I think everyone expects the Shibs to continue past 2014, in which case the Argentine is likely to come up sometime, if the SD format is kept. However, it is entirely possible that the Argentine format will not be kept.

    Certainly, the Shibs Tango FD was the worst I have seen from them.

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    I wonder if they could do a teacher-student type of tango one day, something like the movie Shall We Dance? It would be challenging to portray a student while maintaining difficulty... but perhaps not impossible with a gifted choreographer.

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    Ooh, Spun, that's a great idea. I haven't yet seen the Japanese movie, but in the American version, Jennifer Lopez and Richard Gere managed to be steamy but not go over the line in terms of chemistry. (At least, so I inferred, since Richard Gere had Susan Sarandon back at home, cast as his wife, in the movie.)

    I remember that the Duchesnays did a West Side Story free dance in which they had to say they were skating as Anita and her brother Bernardo...well, it worked, and why not? They also did some non-romantic dances, notably Missing, which was a political statement that could have depicted any man and woman. I don't know whether the musical limitations nowadays (music choice has to be closer to dance-related these days, doesn't it?) might make it harder to find stuff for a brother and sister to do, but I'm sure someone will get ingenious.

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    And of course, Savage Rites, the brother and sister in the Jungle in 1988.

    But they preceded that with a Spanish Dance FD in the 1986/1987 season
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEJ7pecrAss

    And a Charleston OSP (1989) with Isabelle as Ms. Josephine Baker, and Paul as a Stage Door Johnny.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr4BLtPE8og

    And Reflections, which the judges didn't like, but which I adored. (that's the dance they scraped for WSS)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qaqag3LTHM

    There was a street dance samba OSP (which is sort of everyone for themselves, as in the Shibs SD this year.
    The Lonely Goatherd Polka OSP 1990
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVXFZgo9YHs

    And Missing 1 & 2 in subsequent years FD's. everyman & everywoman disappeared by the administration.

    And they did an Eleanor Rigby FD. 1989, I
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QhhRDHOri4

    Most challenging for a brother/sister team, a Blues OSP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7yix2zBk_Q
    There's finally a good video of it!!

    Although they were always controversial, no one went on about brother/sister ick factors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    And a Charleston OSP (1989) with Isabelle as Ms. Josephine Baker, and Paul as a Stage Door Johnny.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr4BLtPE8og
    Oh, was that the concept? I didn't know the story behind it.

    And Reflections, which the judges didn't like, but which I adored. (that's the dance they scraped for WSS)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qaqag3LTHM
    Actually, it's the dance they scrapped for Missing II (1991 Euros to 1991 Worlds, which they won).

    I think it's true that some judges didn't like it, but second place with both skaters falling at the end and a strong team right behind in third place is a pretty good result considering.

    Although they were always controversial, no one went on about brother/sister ick factors.
    Yup!
    That's the team that got me excited about ice dance in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    I think everyone expects the Shibs to continue past 2014, in which case the Argentine is likely to come up sometime, if the SD format is kept. However, it is entirely possible that the Argentine format will not be kept.

    Certainly, the Shibs Tango FD was the worst I have seen from them.
    Worst from them, though, is still better than a lot of others....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    Nah, the Shibs are committed athletes and will try everything to break down stereotypical barriers.that is where they earn my respect
    I certainly don't believe that the tango or the inability to perform romantic dances would keep the Shibs from succeeding, just explaining why the origins of the tango were being discussed.

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    If D/W can perform a tango without an iota of romantic sensuality, I'm sure the Shibs can as well

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