04-02-2012, 12:37 PM
how much responsibility does she have, in your opinion?
Originally Posted by conga
no doubt in your mind we are not real fans, thus the quotation marks. becuz to be a skating fan, or even a fan of u.s. skating, one must be enamored of czisny? otherwise one's eyes and judgement are surely defective? and we're fair-weather fans, if we can even be called fans without the quotation marks.
04-02-2012, 12:38 PM
There is criticism, and then there is the sort of flat out nastiness and sense of entitlement to kick someone when they're down.
Originally Posted by Spun Silver
And for the record, I have not deleted any post. And I still firmly believe that skaters should not have been sent to Europe for a competition two weeks before Worlds, regardless of who's idea it was. The USFSA made the assignment, whether the skaters/coaches asked for it or not. The Americans are the only skaters who travelled overseas to this competition and then went to Worlds.
04-02-2012, 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by Dragonlady
perhaps those who seek to exonerate her write posts that provoke others to provide commentary to the contrary.
i still find it 'nasty' that czisny fans can glibly declare that the u.s. ladies don't need or deserve 3 spots at worlds. how many people did you just dismiss, disregard, here?
to R.D.: you actually believe _something_ will happen, other than the cover-your-butt scenario i proposed, where everybody comes out smelling like roses? i admire your unrelenting faith.
Last edited by skfan; 04-02-2012 at 12:47 PM.
04-02-2012, 12:48 PM
These are all excellent points, but my fear is that the process could end up being so unstructured that we will have even more of a selection by whim than we had when a 13th place National finisher jumped over all the others to receive 4CC. What would prevent even more bias being involved and in monitoring sessions and the USFS authority to pull a skater (other than for injury)? How would skaters train for so much unknown?
Originally Posted by R.D.
04-02-2012, 12:49 PM
Alissa is not an evil person. She just lacks what it takes to be a strong competition skater: consistently good jump technique and nerves of steel.
She had no technique whatsoever with her jumps at Worlds. She simply flung herself into the air and then came down on the ice, over and over again. I was surprised that she was given credit for several of the 3-attempts. I didn't see 3 rotations in the air on any of her 'attempts'.
Something was clearly wrong right from the beginning. When she came on the ice, her face was swollen (from crying?) and she looked terrified. On another board, the suggestion was raised that she had had "a bereavement", but there's been no confirmation of that. After she skated, not a word was passed among Jason, Yuka and Alissa.
Alissa should have withdrawn after the SP, where she fell twice. She would have spared herself the embarrassment of the FS. Ashley needed only to place top 10 to keep two places for next year, and that looked pretty good after the SP. Yes, the 2nd US lady would have to do the QR next year, but with Alissa's 22nd place in the FS, that was the outcome anyway.
My guess is Alissa insisted on doing the FS, and one can only wonder why. Perhaps she didn't want to be seen as a quitter. That may have been a misguided decision, but it was not an evil one.
04-02-2012, 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by chuckm
can someone show me a post where she's been called 'evil' in this thread?
04-02-2012, 12:56 PM
Rooting for the divas with Kwanford
04-02-2012, 01:01 PM