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    Anyway, back to the topic on hand....

    Anyone want to talk about Ice Dancing?

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    ^ OK, but first...

    Do grown people really care what kids twit on their tweeters?

    I would be more interested in knowing if Mirai has picked her short progrsam music for next year yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    ^ OK, but first...

    Do grown people really care what kids twit on their tweeters?

    I would be more interested in knowing if Mirai has picked her short progrsam music for next year yet.
    Kid as in a 18-19 year old? At that age, they should start becoming more responsible for what they post especially if the person is a public figure.

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    ^ Well...yes...but...I am not Mirai's father, coach, or public relations guy. It is not my place to sit in judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    ^ OK, but first...

    Do grown people really care what kids twit on their tweeters?

    I would be more interested in knowing if Mirai has picked her short progrsam music for next year yet.
    That would be "tweet" MM.

    Mirai's twitter is usually upbeat, positive and funny, which is why I enjoy reading her tweets. So such a tweet, for me, is disappointing to hear about. And Becki is right, she's not a kid anymore. She's an adult now.

    And yes, I'd rather hear about HER skating and what she's up to, rather than her criticism of other skaters.

    Okay...Ice Dancing now?

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    Aww, lay off. The pearl-clutching was silly with Nancy Kerrigan and her Disneyland comment and it's silly with Mirai and her tweets. Besides, it was very rude of that other Twitter person to poke her and rub in that she didn't place well at Nationals.

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    Ice dancing?

    You know, who would have thought that of all the disciplines, the only one where USA would have 3 entries in is...ice dance?

    Shows how far we've fallen in singles...at least in the men's division, sounds like the comebacks of Lysacek and Weir will juice things up a bit. But how about the women? And don't tell me Gracie Gold because she doesn't have anywhere NEAR the accolades that either guy mentioned above has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    Ice dancing?

    You know, who would have thought that of all the disciplines, the only one where USA would have 3 entries in is...ice dance?

    Shows how far we've fallen in singles...at least in the men's division, sounds like the comebacks of Lysacek and Weir will juice things up a bit. But how about the women? And don't tell me Gracie Gold because she doesn't have anywhere NEAR the accolades that either guy mentioned above has.
    I know you are not an ice dance fan, RD, but this thread is about the state of U.S. Figure Skating...not just singles skating in the U.S.

    Of course, the weird thing about Ice Dance is basically its strength lies in 3 coaching teams in the Detroit area. I don't think we've seen a similar coaching concentration in the other disciplines.

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    what most intrigues me about ice dance is hubbell and donahue's success in nice. does this mean they've definitively passed K & G-S, chock & bates, couples on that tier, and are now neck and neck with the shibutanis?

    of course just the season before the shibutanis were bronze medalists at worlds.

    was it here, or did i read elsewhere that alex and maia ought to split up and skate with other people, just so they'll be able to access a greater range of artistic interpretations, and really make way in ice dance. that idea surprised me, as i thought it was a bit pre-mature. they've only started--it's too soon to conclude they'll never achieve davis-white level success...

    as far as pairs, i am sorry but i cannot get past my fondness for proper stretch and toe points in lift positions, so... both exuberant and charming mary beth and improved but still not refined caydee have yet to win me over. i'm rooting for donlan and speroff (or maybe evora and ladwig) to have their own takahashi & tran moment. i suppose this means despite saying 'pairs, schmerrs' on FSU (because i was irked that cain-reagan had split up)... i'm still watching u.s. pairs with curiosity.


    to brightphoton, i love your term 'pearl-clutching', even though i don't think it was rude of that person to snark back to mirai. and though blazingblades' comment as quoted by Mrs P was indeed gracious, to put it all into perspective you'd also have to read his comment that mirai needed a spanking, or something along that line. LOL. don't you love sports in the age of twitter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skfan View Post
    what most intrigues me about ice dance is hubbell and donahue's success in nice. does this mean they've definitively passed K & G-S, chock & bates, couples on that tier, and are now neck and neck with the shibutanis?
    It intrigues me too. What I find interesting is not just the fact that H/D achieved a great placing at Worlds, but the fact that they're a 1 year old team. It's the rate of improvement that's impressive. Also their TES at the SD showed that they've got the goods to compete with the elite teams. Next season will answer a lot, as their next target is to improve PCS. If they achieve this too, then yes I'm going to believe that they can rightfully fight for second best in the U.S.

    BTW I loved those World Championships new outfits. A lot of black, but they looked great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skfan View Post
    what most intrigues me about ice dance is hubbell and donahue's success in nice. does this mean they've definitively passed K & G-S, chock & bates, couples on that tier, and are now neck and neck with the shibutanis?

    of course just the season before the shibutanis were bronze medalists at worlds.

    was it here, or did i read elsewhere that alex and maia ought to split up and skate with other people, just so they'll be able to access a greater range of artistic interpretations, and really make way in ice dance. that idea surprised me, as i thought it was a bit pre-mature. they've only started--it's too soon to conclude they'll never achieve davis-white level success...

    as far as pairs, i am sorry but i cannot get past my fondness for proper stretch and toe points in lift positions, so... both exuberant and charming mary beth and improved but still not refined caydee have yet to win me over. i'm rooting for donlan and speroff (or maybe evora and ladwig) to have their own takahashi & tran moment. i suppose this means despite saying 'pairs, schmerrs' on FSU (because i was irked that cain-reagan had split up)... i'm still watching u.s. pairs with curiosity.


    to brightphoton, i love your term 'pearl-clutching', even though i don't think it was rude of that person to snark back to mirai. and though blazingblades' comment as quoted by Mrs P was indeed gracious, to put it all into perspective you'd also have to read his comment that mirai needed a spanking, or something along that line. LOL. don't you love sports in the age of twitter?
    Definitely think all the Shib-split talk is a bit pre-mature. They did not have as great a season as their debut, obviously, but it was hardly failure. They got two GP medals (including gold), made the GPF and got another silver at Nationals. And despite their meltdown, they still had enough to stay in the top 10...Consider that they got 82 for a botched skate...which would be a PB for some other pairs. I expect them to be in good form next season.

    Yes there's a lot of work to do in pairs — but I'm optimistic about them now then I've been in a long time ...since the ina/zimmerman years, really...

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    It's worth remembering Aldridge & Eaton, the World Junior Bronze Medallists, also from the Detroit area these days. I think they may be staying junior, since they are eligible?

    It will be interesting to see this summer how the teams that desire to pass Hubbell Donohue do at Lake Placid IDC.

    Likewise, key to success in dance in the US next year will be the ability of the partners to do the Yankee Polka in the SD. The new rules are out, and the YP is to be skated as one pattern, marked in two segments (no splitting up the pattern, as was done this year). H&D don't have the quickest feet, and this might not be their forte. I'll be interested to see how Chock/Bates do with it.

    I wonder if the reason the US has so many dancers these days is that the dancers look mostly like they are having a good time when they compete. There just isn't as much falling in dancing, even though there can be severe injuries. That and the availability of great coaching here.

    There are other schools besides Detroit though:

    Linichuk in Astin, PA
    Ludington at UDel
    Klimova in CA
    and Wheaton Academy in the Eastern regions that have the Parsons & McNamara & Carpenter.
    and others, of course.

    But Detroit is the big leagues these days, no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Likewise, key to success in dance in the US next year will be the ability of the partners to do the Yankee Polka in the SD. The new rules are out, and the YP is to be skated as one pattern, marked in two segments (no splitting up the pattern, as was done this year). H&D don't have the quickest feet, and this might not be their forte. I'll be interested to see how Chock/Bates do with it.
    I can't wait to see the YP. I know some of the music is going to get grating, but I love dancing in closed hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blancanieves View Post
    It intrigues me too. What I find interesting is not just the fact that H/D achieved a great placing at Worlds, but the fact that they're a 1 year old team. It's the rate of improvement that's impressive. Also their TES at the SD showed that they've got the goods to compete with the elite teams. Next season will answer a lot, as their next target is to improve PCS. If they achieve this too, then yes I'm going to believe that they can rightfully fight for second best in the U.S.

    BTW I loved those
    World Championships new outfits. A lot of black, but they looked great.
    next season I am positive H/D will already surpass the lame Sibutanis
    just as I/K have now passed B/S

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    I would be very surprised if that happens. The Shibs are insanely hard workers, and have wonderful timing.

    Alex had a respiratory ailment at 4CC's, and his face turned blue after skating the FD, and he was unable to skate the EX. I expect that as with Fabian in the fall, that affected their training between 4CC's and Worlds. It's unfortunate that you can't take much of anything to alleviate your respiratory symptoms if you are an athlete.

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