As well as nobody can change the fact that he got booed by an international audience. The first and up to now the only World Champion in FS who got booed. Guiness record. That matters. At least it should.Patrick is the 2012 ISU World Champion, no one can change this fact.
In Business terms, Daisuke is the cash cow while Hanyu is the star of the JFS.
Let's Talk, You are entitled to your opinion, so I won't argue with you any more. Patrick is the champion, that's what I care.
NMURA, your vision of figure skating politics in Japan fascinates me. A couple of questions.
1. Why is it important to the judges/ISU to get Canada the third spot for men? I mean, the third man in Canada (Ten/Rogozine/Balde) will placed behind the what, 13th man in the USA (Dornbush vs Ten at 4CC)? And if it wasn't important to get Canada the third spot for men's at the Olympics (recalling that Chan and Chipeur were 2nd and 12th respectively, just one point shy), why is it important now for Worlds?
2. While Hanyu's jump from 7th to 3rd is certainly remarkable, wouldn't the fact that he was 7th in the SP be cause for concern? Hanyu had a flawed short program at Japanese Nationals as well. Why would the judges annoint someone who isn't even guaranteed to make the final group as Chan's main rival?
3. I, too, am fascinated by who gets NHK (and the other GPs in all disciplines) next season.
4. Blades, do you think this was Dai at his expressive best? Because I actually thought he was a little more focused throughout the program on nailing all the elements.
It's important to Canada to have as many Canadians as possible qualified for Worlds next year in London, Ontario.
So if we are going to construct a conspiracy theory, this would be the theory:He was elected the Vice President for figure skating at the 2002 ISU Congress and was re-elected in 2006. He has become known as a strong supporter of Ottavio Cinquanta's policies, such as the adoption of the ISU Judging System and keeping the identity of figure skating judges secret.
David Dore, former head of Skate Canada, is an ISU bigwig, and considered next in line to Speedy.
So what Dore wants, and what Canada wants, they might well be likely to get these days, provided it doesn't interfere with what Speedy/ Italy wants, of course.
Neither man skated particularly well in this competition, nor did the 3rd place finisher. But it is to be expected that the Takahashi fan club will continue to cry foul until who knows when.
Still discrediting Chan's win here, eh? I can't, and won't attempt to, change the closed minds but I do have another observation regarding live and remote audiences' emotional but irrational responses: the later an error is, the more impact it has on the perception of the merits of the program and the competition even though it makes no difference in actual scoring. Takahash's major error occurred at the the early part of the SP and was totally forgotten and ignored at the end of the LP/competition. So was Hanyu's low ranking SP. In Pairs, V/T won the LP and almost won the Gold medal in a virtual tie. If they did win in a virtual tie, would they be booed and their awkward awful fall in the Death Spiral during the SP be held against them? Chan's awkward awful fall happened late to his lowest value jump, when his win had already been secured barring an unlikely awkward awful fall in the footwork, but is used to discredit his win and his superior skating skills unendingly.
Or, I may be wrong; it has nothing to do with the timing of the mistake but has everything to do with Chan simply handing his gleeful distractors an ammunition for disparaging him. Still, it should not and did not cost him a win and another rightful title.
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Besides, I believe the reason for the booes was the fact that up till Patrick's skate Joubert was ranked third. The moment his marks were announced Joubert was kicked off the podium. So unless you are suggesting that he should have finished behind Joubert in overall classification (which, of course, you are perfectly free to do), there was no judges' decisions re. his placement in the LP, which would not have produced the same reaction.
I dont know why people are still discreditting Chan's win. His skating skills are superior to Daisuke, he has better flow and is far more efficient in stroking. I do think his body movements were very in line with the music and in a way more difficult than Daisuke's, D is more exciting because he jiggles more and has more movements but that is not artistry per se. Patrick seems to have improved the lyrical quality to his upper body movements and does come across as a dacner far more. I think people like to make a conspiracy out of things and claiming the judges are biased etc etc, but it is quite a unanimous result. Also, people like to keep pointing out the fall on the last axel, but that's the whole point of the COP and using marks to determine placings. He should have won with a more decisive margin without the fall. Landing two quads is still a remarkable feat.
I say, rather Hanyu is the star of the ISU. Probably the JSF officials have not expected Hanyu to medal this year, especially after the SP. They had planned to promote Takahashi at least until 2013 worlds, and if all things go well, Hanyu could be the #2 man at Sochi, who has the outside shot at a medal if Takahashi falters. The ISU is urging the JSF to rethink and speed up the plan.
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