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tampro1

Rinkside
Joined
Oct 30, 2005
For once, I felt sorry for Chan. The crowd was just so rude, it was horrible. He didn't give himself those scores. And he landed two clean quads. The audience needs to educate themselves and understand where Chan is separating himself from everyone else.

Actually, it's the figure skating establishment that needs to educate the audience or this sport is truly is dead. The audience buys the tickets and is basically who advertisers are aiming at. As someone who paid for those overpriced tickets at US Nationals, I want to at least feel like part of the decision making process with my cheers (or boos). The current system is disconnected from audiences. Thats why you see all the empty seats at these events and no TV coverage in the US. It's not just the poor world economy! If the ISU and federations want to increase popularity and $$, they've got to include the audience. Most people buy tickets to be entertained, touched my emotion, etc. That's just not happening as often as it use too. We can't blame skaters or their coaches for whoring the COP with these intricate yet uninspiring and error filled programs.
 

Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!
Record Breaker
Joined
Dec 27, 2009
All skaters below 12 place get 16 points, I think. Spain does get 2 spots.

You're right! I will have to redo all my calculations on the other thread...

Okay rework:
3 spots: Canada, France and Japan
2 spots: U.S., Italy, Spain, Czech Republic, and Kazakhstan

Russia still loses a spot however. :(
 

Leonardo

Final Flight
Joined
Feb 17, 2010
Asian Domination of the men's event! This counts Patrick Chan, too.

I'm floored about the results. Overall, I felt that Patrick's technical score was fair. However, Daisuke was way underscored in the PCS. I would have given him a 10 in choreography and interpretation. That program is so innovative, so complex. That music is so difficult to interpret. In my opinion, one of the greatest LPs of all time. Yuzuru made me cry and it is the first time I cried over a program. Youthful exuberance for sure, silly fall after the step sequence. But, I am amazed that jumped back up and did a 3axel-3 toe.

I'm actually glad that the audience booed, despite that it's not Patrick's fault he was placed 1st by the judges. Like at the Worlds in Lyon, France in 1970 (I think), the audience booed when Janet Lynn did not medal despite a brilliant free skate because figures were weighted heavier than the FS. This warranted change. The next year, the SP was introduced and figures were reduced for the skater's overall placement. The ISU needs to re-evaluate the scoring system, especially when it comes to deductions. I understand the boos because the audience, who is there live, feeling the energy of each performance, sees a performance that was superior in execution and is beaten by a guy who splatters at the end. A world champion should not be a guy who waxels at the end. SKATING 101, folks. Now, the ISU can take a cue from the FIG gymnastics (although their scoring system is highly debatable, too) to increase the deductions for falls and single jumps. I say that falls should be a mandatory 2-point deduction and all popped singles should be a mandatory -3 in GOE. Also omission on any required element in the SP should be a mandatory 2 point deduction. It would encourage the skaters to focus on the execution of their programs with less falls and have the general public understand and justify the placements. But also increase the point value for quads and 3-axels to encourage skaters to attempt and perfect them in competition. Also in fairness to the skaters, judges should display their marks. Skaters should be able to see what jumps were downgraded during the kiss and cry and coaches should be allowed to submit inquiries. Although, I could understand that it will prolong the scoring process, but it's only fair. As for PCS, skaters who fall should not be given 9+ for execution. Does not make sense. Figure skating, like all sports, is dependent on the popularity of fans to sustain. If this continues, its relevance in society will dissipate.

Agree with so many things! Great post!
 

lavender

Record Breaker
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
I'm surprised Florent beat Joubert. I have to see that skate since everyone seems so happy for Brian's skate.
 

museksk8r

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 31, 2006
Country
United-States
I wonder what Richard Callaghan could do for Jeremy Abbott if he were to switch coaches? Just a thought of frustration. He needs someone who can train him to go on autopilot on those jumps and just gain much better consistency. *SIGH*
 

RemyRose

YOLO
Record Breaker
Joined
Dec 28, 2005
Country
United-States
I wonder what Richard Callaghan could do for Jeremy Abbott if he were to switch coaches? Just a thought of frustration. He needs someone who can train him to go on autopilot on those jumps and just gain much better consistency. *SIGH*

He's a headcase, I don't think it matters who his coach is.
 

mikeko666

Final Flight
Joined
Apr 27, 2011
At least Chan didn't win by an ridiculous amount of points today. 7 points is not a dominating win and a 3 point win in the LP shows he's not invincible.

It's up to ISU and the judges. If they want, they can make him invincible. I look forward to seeing how far (or low) they can go.
 

sky_fly20

Match Penalty
Joined
Nov 20, 2011
When Hanyu fell i thought he would unravel. He's run out of steam in the past in the LP and that fall came out of nowhere but he showed the heart of a champion.

that is pretty much Hanyu's weakness
he begins to pass out/run out of breath at the middle of the program
 

museksk8r

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 31, 2006
Country
United-States
I fully expect him to retire and will be shocked if he continues on after this. If he were to come back a completely new and better competitor, I would be thrilled to witness it though. I will always be Jeremy's fan and I will always love the many beautiful components of his skating! Whatever he decides, I just hope he is happy with his choice. :love:
 

seniorita

Record Breaker
Joined
Jun 3, 2008
It s not just the naive audience disagreeing about the pcs margin, examiner and John Kerr just tweeted about it and they know about fs right? Examiner is a huge fan of chan anyway.. it will be others too commenting on it..
the overall placement is right anyway and I felt bad about the booing,it doesn't look right to the athletes, but if dai was closer in sp the 5 pcs difference would affect the total outcome..the lp result is not ok, a flawed chan is much better than Dai who had an almost perfect skate and a season best?
Anyway I m so happy for Dai and Hanyu and congrats to Brian too!!
 

Jammers

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 4, 2010
Country
United-States
Sadly Abbott is like Alissa and Mirai in that he's not a great competitor. I have to say i'm getting tired of watching the American skaters have that puke face look before they skate. Can we finally get someone talented and mentally tough also?
 

drivingmissdaisy

Record Breaker
Joined
Feb 17, 2010
If the crowd was booing, it is unfortunate that it wasn't directed only at the judges. But they do have a right to boo. Before we all sit on our high horse and criticize the crowd for being uneducated on the judging system, it's the revenue from those ticket holders that help make the event happen. The sport is not viable if it only caters to the very few who understand the intricacies of the scoring.
 

StellaCampo

On the Ice
Joined
Nov 19, 2011
I wouldn't even compare Chan with Takahashi or Hanyu. I just question the 'absolute' value of his IN, which is 9.21. That is higher than any other scores he got for other components. OK, his SS is great but that is 9.11. Honestly what is so special about his interpretation? I re-read the definition in the rules:
The personal and creative translation of the music to movement on ice.
To reward the skater who through movement creates a personal and creative translation of the music.
As the tempo binds all notes in time, the ability to use the tempos and rhythms of the music in a variety
of ways, along with the subtle use of finesse to reflect the nuances of all the fundamentals of music:
melody, rhythm, harmony, color, texture, and form creates a mastery of interpretation
.
I don't get any feeling, evocation, color, or texture from his skating about this espagnol music.
I may be old fashioned but compare John Curry's Olympic EX and his little piece on Carmen. That IS interpretation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o26Bb8bh3EM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syYlSFtQjoo
 

Becki

Medalist
Joined
Nov 28, 2011
Haha, I wish Patrick skated a clean program so he can win with "dignity" (as they say). But oh well....there's next year :D
 

Art&Sport

Medalist
Joined
Apr 28, 2011
For once, I felt sorry for Chan. The crowd was just so rude, it was horrible. He didn't give himself those scores. And he landed two clean quads. The audience needs to educate themselves and understand where Chan is separating himself from everyone else.

Ah, what about all you Chan-ubers educate yourselves about what figure skating is truly all about: athleticism and artistry combined. Artistry has never been allowed to take precedence over athleticism, but in the sport of figure skating, neither should athleticism and technical skills always trump artistry. A balance should be achieved, which has gone by the wayside under IJS. Chan's artistry is okay but not better than that of a lot of guys, including Dai, Hanyu, Abbott, Ten, even Rippon, and among the guys not here: Johnny Weir (if he returns). Jason Brown, Joshua Farris, and Armin can give Chan a run for the money in regards to actual artistry (and I'm not talking about blade placement skills either). Of course these younger guys are not close to being in Chan's league when it comes to the experience of competing at a senior level, but Jason no question has better artistry than Chan, and Farris and Armin are at least equal to better than Chan in terms of artistry. The up-and-coming Han Yan lacks nothing but experience when it comes to competing against Chan on an artistry and technical level (and that is b/c Han still has work to do on his artistry and presentation skills).

For God's sake, even Jonathan Cassar has better artistic skills than Patrick Chan, but alas Cassar will never be in Chan's "league" due to not being strong technically -- he can't land 3-axels or quads, but I'd rather watch Cassar skate all day. Chan, not so much.
 

Becki

Medalist
Joined
Nov 28, 2011
Does anyone of the medal ceremony? Yuzuru was so cute, jumping for joy.

He left his coach in tears..awww....
 
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