Last edited by Bluebonnet; 04-01-2012 at 11:46 PM.
I have often wondered what would be the dominating PCS category if the components just had a different order and, for example, P/E was the first component.
To overcome that psychological bias, my solution would be to program something into the machines that changes the order of input randomly for the components, for each judge and with each skater. This is not as mistake-prone as it sounds cause each component is worth the same so if you mix up your categories you still get the same result.
I rewatched Tak and Chan's performance. I used to say |iked Dai far more but now I am not so sure. As much as I thought some of Chan's routine was bland; Dai's wasn't as hot as I thought and he too had some jump problems. Chan did try harder jumps. I am somewhat disappointed with a lot of posters who undoubted will get upset by my comments. Like patrick or dai the tone is somewhat anti Chan or even more of a hatred or hate crime. I have already expressed preference for a skater does not mean he or she should or will get the higher mark. You can prefer the style of Dai but element for element Chan could still win or score higher. In the end, i think we still have to give some credit to the judges. It wold be just as bad if judges started marking according to these posts - most of us as I have said before are in no position to judge according to COP - how many of a certified to do this?????
I think we have two of he best all around skaters at the top Dai and Patrick. And people, who say Patrick has already won are trying to jinx him or say the fix is in. It might be good to see the judges stay true to themselves and not be biased but us crazy posters who some times lose or lost a sense of reality.
This Worlds was the first time I did the whole live stream thing, and I truly enjoyed it, though it was very exhausting.
Regarding Patrick's win, I can see that he might win under CoP, and the only issue I have is that as others have said, I thought his P/E and IN score was too high for what he did (and actually even his skating skills that night were sloppy and off). I wish judges would start giving more varied scores according to different categories, so that they reflect what is actually being done. And if PCS was used more properly, I do think that Daisuke might have/could have/should have won the LP.
I did truly find Patrick's long program performance to be underwhelming, but then I saw his exhibition number and his skating skills there were apparent. So I can see what the judges rave about.
All that said, I am definitely not anti-Chan. I love watching Patrick stroke (and I don't say that about many skaters, not even my beloved Dai). I don't consider him inartistic as others do. To me he has a quiet, introverted, very mature elegance that is very satisfying and beautiful. I love his security with most of his jumps and the effortless look of his footwork. My main gripes with him are the recycling of programs instead of challenging himself with new material, and the one I mentioned above. I find myself less enthusiastic about him than I was three years ago. Maybe it's all part of a grand plan and once he's stuffed enough quads into his programs he'll move on to eliminating the falls and trying more adventurous programs, but for now there's something missing for me. And -- getting back to the Men's FS -- that does make his win over Dai, esp. in the FS, a bit hard to swallow.
(I will admit I also get a bit sick of the accolades poured on Patrick as if Dai didn't exist. It reminds me of Scott Hamilton saying "Alissa Czisny [or X ... this is one of his favorite phrases] has everything you want in a lady skater." Don't tell me what I want. No one skater is or has everything we want. It's unlikely that Patrick will ever have Dai's communicative ability, his desire to stretch himself with cutting-edge programs, or his passionate perfectionism. And Dai will probably never have Patrick's sheer elegance of skating, his multi-quad ability, or his number of gold medals (although we know he will try to his last competitive breath).)
Sorry to blather on. All this was inspired by let's talk's insulting Patrick, which I don't agree with, and his/her fantasy of how the judges came up with their scores, which makes a certain sense.
On another note, I can't believe Hanyu improved his Season's Best by 25 points (!!!). His total score at the beginning of the season was 226, at the end 251. Pretty impressive, especially in his LP!
Last edited by Becki; 04-02-2012 at 12:09 AM.
one reason for Dai's low IN mark could be the program itself. The music has the same rythm thoughout the whole piece. And Aranjuez's rythm changes. In other words, Dai interpreted a rather simple piece of music while Patrick did a more complicated one. The IN marks from the judges were quite uniform, which tells you something.
I watched Patrick and Daisuke live at the beginning of the season, and I appreciated Daisuke more. It's such a complex piece to interpret, and I think he does a good job. Although I have to admit, Patrick is a faster skater, he has so much speed. If he skates Aranjuez perfectly/cleanly, it would make more of an impact.