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    Views on Evan Lysacek's Competitive Return

    Given the state of Men's Figure Skating, do you think Evan Lysacek will still return to the world of Figure Skating? And if so, how do you think he will do?

    In my opinion, if he does return next season WITHOUT a quad, he'll probably do well in the US but not crack top 3 in world's. The big guys on top will continue to improve their technical arsenal.


    If he does come back WITH a quad, his personal best might land him in contention for a podium finish. But the question is - how many quads will be need? I heard Hanyu is planning on adding a 4S, and other guys are probably going to try new quads to stay competitive.
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    I actually agree with you on the premise, Evan's fans of course are not going to like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    Given the state of Men's Figure Skating, do you think Evan Lysacek will still return to the world of Figure Skating? And if so, how do you think he will do?

    In my opinion, if he does return next season WITHOUT a quad, he'll probably do well in the US but not crack top 3 in world's. The big guys on top will continue to improve their technical arsenal.


    If he does come back WITH a quad, his personal best might land him in contention for a podium finish. But the question is - how many quads will be need? I heard Hanyu is planning on adding a 4S, and other guys are probably going to try new quads to stay competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    In my opinion, if he does return next season (1) WITHOUT a quad, he'll probably do well in the US but not crack top 3 in world's. The big guys on top will continue to improve their technical arsenal.


    If he does come back (2) WITH a quad, his personal best might land him in contention for a podium finish. But the question is - how many quads will be need? I heard Hanyu is planning on adding a 4S, and other guys are probably going to try new quads to stay competitive.
    I agree with your first point on this, but not on the second.

    Looking at the Men's short program protocol, 10 out of the Top 15-placed skaters either attempted or successfully landed a quad.
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc..._SP_Scores.pdf

    Through the Men's Free Skate protocol, I have found that 14 of the Top 15-placed skaters (Jeremy and Adam included) either attempted or successfully landed a quad.
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc..._FS_Scores.pdf

    Therefore:
    For Evan to show up without one or not attempt to do one would be a little embarrassing, to be honest.
    And a quad is not guaranteed a podium finish.
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    May he return! Amen. :_+_)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    I agree with your first point on this, but not on the second.

    Looking at the Men's short program protocol, 10 out of the Top 15-placed skaters either attempted or successfully landed a quad.
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc..._SP_Scores.pdf

    Through the Men's Free Skate protocol, I have found that 14 of the Top 15-placed skaters (Jeremy and Adam included) either attempted or successfully landed a quad.
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc..._FS_Scores.pdf

    Therefore:
    For Evan to show up without one or not attempt to do one would be a little embarrassing, to be honest.
    And a quad is not guaranteed a podium finish.
    On the second point, it was based on his personal best in the SP, LP and total score (257). This would've landed him a Bronze in this year's World's IF he achieved the score. This is a bold assumption made on past results.

    I heard from someone he was debuting his programs at the Boston Ice Chip show, that's why I assumed he might make a return? Although I think it's very unlikely at this point, unless he adds at least TWO quads. I can see Hanyu (he's amazing!) beating him easily next season if he does return, and not beef up his technical arsenal. Just my two cents.

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    Evan's comeback is also still dependent on the whole USFSA financial thing. Anyone know if there are any updates on that?

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    Evan would need AT LEAST 2 quads and one 3A or 1 quad and two 3A's in the free to be anywhere near competitive. He'd also need a quad in the short.

    He's a great competitor and doesn't melt down...but he's got to have that tech.

    I wonder if they will pay him what he wants to come back.

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    He will come back and he will arrive with the quads by next season. He has trained it and nailed it in the past. He is in a better position to achieve results with quads than those that have never landed it... I am sure Evan will 'Plushenko' us into success in this upcoming season. Evan will inspire Nagasu again and inspire us all with solid wins! I know it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I hope Plushenko recovers from his injuries because we need someone like him to come, skate clean with a quad, and win without any sort of controversy. The judges aren't going to screw him on PCS and he can actually perform 2 clean programs. I know Chan is great but I just find it unacceptable for him to win so many events with glaring errors. I generally agree with his placements but my frustration is more of lack of depth that these guys can't come out and skate two good programs and take advantage of the opportunities Chan opens with his falls. Plushenko can. As far as Evan, I think it would be tough merely because a lot of things have to go right for him to win without a quad.
    Are you dreaming?! Plushenko won without controversy?! Look at his two perfect programs in 2006 Olympics! He's had a huge controversy about how he has won. People love to create controversies no matter what. So there will always be controversies. Plushenko was the most hated skater among skating fans in the post Yagudin era because he won every competition he entered except two - the 2003 Euro to Brian Joubert and 2003 GPF to Emanuel Sandhu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Are you dreaming?! Plushenko won without controversy?! Look at his two perfect programs in 2006 Olympics! He's had a huge controversy about how he has won. People love to create controversies no matter what. So there will always be controversies. Plushenko was the most hated skater among skating fans in the post Yagudin era because he won every competition he entered except one. The only time he lost was to Sandu because he miscalculated his jumps and did an extra combo jump at GPF.
    That sounds so much like Chan right now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Are you dreaming?! Plushenko won without controversy?! Look at his two perfect programs in 2006 Olympics! He's had a huge controversy about how he has won. People love to create controversies no matter what. So there will always be controversies. Plushenko was the most hated skater among skating fans in the post Yagudin era because he won every competition he entered except two - the 2003 Euro to Brian Joubert and 2003 GPF to Emanuel Sandhu.
    In 2006 the critism was the huge marks for his lifeless Lp and his overall win over 30 points, I dont remember a controversy for the short or long placement or if he should have won over Lambiel or whoever.
    Plushenko in the unknowledgable /uneducated skating fans in the arena was/is far from the most hated skater, that would be my idea because I m a fan but I m quite confident that it is clear if you pick any youtube video from 1998 till now... Are you sure you are not tranferring the internet boards essence? Takahashi has a more likable public persona -that we skating fans like to discuss- than Plushenko or Chan, I can understand that.
    I also dont think Chan is the most hated skater internet or not, I dont know if any hate him but it is usual the top skater to gather all the critisism, did Lysacek had less critisism in 2009-2010? I dont think so. Do you remember the Yuna /Mao threads? Skaters who are dominating are going to be analysed to the very end. Hate is a strong word and i dont think it applies to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    On the second point, it was based on his personal best in the SP, LP and total score (257). This would've landed him a Bronze in this year's World's IF he achieved the score. This is a bold assumption made on past results.
    Well, yeah, but everyone's score was inflated at the Olympics. Just saying. Heh. (And the rules have probably been tweaked since then.)

    Didn't he have a weak triple axel as well? I remember someone saying that if Plushenko had pointed that out instead of Evan's lack of quads, he might've won at the Olympics. All it takes is for someone to point that out and repeatedly pound that tidbit into the judges' brains and he'd need to rework that as well ...

    Then again, if we didn't have Plushy to point out the lack of quads, we wouldn't have as many attempts ...
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    All the medalists and below did quads in both SP's and LP's!! It's a new skating world!!

    Actually it is kind of a return back before the extreme UR days of fear and ultra conservatism!! Lysacek did thrive when the sport became extremely ultraconservative because he is an extremely ultraconservative skater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    All the medalists and below did quads in both SP's and LP's!! It's a new skating world!!

    Actually it is kind of a return back before the extreme UR days of fear and ultra conservatism!! Lysacek did thrive when the sport became extremely ultraconservative because he is an extremely ultraconservative skater.
    I love Men Figure Skating now, it's completely the reverse of the Ladies' - such a deep field. I love it !

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    Yeah Evan's triple axel is so weird....scares me. I do wonder how they will treat him because Chan and Dai are the standard in quality and movement across the ice. Plus so many are doing quads in the short and long.

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