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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    Nono, but this is my speculation.

    Daisuke either does SC or SA. He did SC this year, and with Patrick as the poster child for SC, Daisuke will probably go to SA. I think NHK will be his second pick 'cause they love Dai. For Hanyu, I have a feeling CoC or CoR again, as the Chinese fans love him too!!
    I don't know, in 2010 he did SA, last year SC, maybe this year Cup of China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatC View Post
    I don't know, in 2010 he did SA, last year SC, maybe this year Cup of China?
    yes, spread the love

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    Now that both Chan and Takahashi are Worlds medalists, they will not meet until the GPF. (Ditto Hanyu.) Last season was an exception that they had so many head to head competitions because Daisuke fell off the 2011 Worlds podium. Kozuka, however, will meet up with one or more medalists the coming season.

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    Evan has far more consistency and flair than almost all the top US men. Unless some of them dramatically improve (which I certainly hope they do), the only real competition nationally for Evan is going to be Jeremy (and possibly Weir depending on his condition) if Evan returns in the same shape that he left in.

    Internationally, sure there are lots of sharks. And rotating at least 2 quads in the entire competition is probably a necessity for getting on the podium at Worlds. We'll have to see if Evan can manage that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Business View Post
    Evan has far more consistency and flair than almost all the top US men. Unless some of them dramatically improve (which I certainly hope they do), the only real competition nationally for Evan is going to be Jeremy (and possibly Weir depending on his condition) if Evan returns in the same shape that he left in.

    Internationally, sure there are lots of sharks. And rotating at least 2 quads in the entire competition is probably a necessity for getting on the podium at Worlds. We'll have to see if Evan can manage that.
    Weir has long been left in the dust by Evan after 2008. I don't think he'll ever catch up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Business View Post
    Evan has far more consistency and flair than almost all the top US men. Unless some of them dramatically improve (which I certainly hope they do), the only real competition nationally for Evan is going to be Jeremy (and possibly Weir depending on his condition) if Evan returns in the same shape that he left in.

    Internationally, sure there are lots of sharks. And rotating at least 2 quads in the entire competition is probably a necessity for getting on the podium at Worlds. We'll have to see if Evan can manage that.
    I can't see Evan factoring in any of the major international podiums barring disaster. His only truly attainable goal in returning would be improving on his personal goals (like maybe landing the quads) and winning another national title (which may not be as easy as it at first appears considering Jeremey's tendency to skate well at nationals).

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    While I think the odds are better than 50% neither come back, if both come back I predict for Evan a 2nd place at Nationals and a 6th place at Worlds. For Johnny a 7th place at Nationals. A few points I see:

    1. Johnny has been far behind Evan for years. That will never change on the competitive scene, especialy with Johnny burning all bridges to the USFSA and everyone else with his tell all book upon retirement. However much Evan might struggle in his hypothetical comeback, Johnny will only fare much worse.

    2. Even WITH the quad Evan would not be top 3 in the LP if the skating was of the caliber of this years Worlds. Takahashi skated cleanly with the quad, has much better PCS than Evan (or should), has much better axels, and still came only 3rd in the LP. Hanyu would blow him away on GOE, especialy in jumps, it is how he beat Takahashi and nearly beat Chan with lower PCS and a bigger mistake in the LP at Worlds. I wont even get started on Chan who would easily outscore Evan in everything apart from any mistakes he makes. Keep in mind Evan will not benefit from the same inflated PCS he did in 2009-2010 with the reigning World Champion tag attached to him, and with the ISU anti Plushenko campaign the growing support for him as the only one at the time reliable to skate well and beat Plushenko if given the scores.

    3. If Abbott skates like he did at Nationals in 2010 and 2012, Evan will not win Nationals. Unless the USFSA support for Abbott suddenly dries up, but the USFSA has supported him since 2009 despite his constant failures at Worlds. Plus Jeremy when he skates well is just a better skater, a shame he never had Evan's mental toughness to capatilize and win the really weak 2009 Worlds and 2010 Olympics.

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    I am going to be optimistic about Evan's return. A lot of good things could happen for team
    USA if Evan skates well, like getting 3 spots back for the men which is very important to the
    US federation leading into Socci. Our current crop can't get it done, Johnny an Evan did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Weir has long been left in the dust by Evan after 2008. I don't think he'll ever catch up again.
    You're right! I forgot how much Weir dropped off in his last few seasons competing, with judges not giving him the benefit of the doubt even when he skates well, which is only liable to be worse now that Weir has upset the applecart.

    So there's a fine chance that if Evan returns in the shape he left in, even with all the changes in the COP, he can make the podium at US nationals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    I can't see Evan factoring in any of the major international podiums barring disaster. His only truly attainable goal in returning would be improving on his personal goals (like maybe landing the quads) and winning another national title (which may not be as easy as it at first appears considering Jeremey's tendency to skate well at nationals).
    One major caveat though: it remains to be seen how the ISU will change the rules and/or reeducate the judges before the next season. Given how contentious Patrick Chan's scores have been, culminating in the massive booing at Worlds that all the ISU top brass heard in person, I think it's almost certain that we're in for a reconfiguration of some parts of the IJS. I don't know what form the changes will take, but done a certain way it could benefit Evan. For instance, if judges were told to severely ding someone's PCS if they make a major mistake during a skate. That would allow the very consistent Evan to have a leg up on his more technically ambitious but also more error-prone international cohorts.

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    I'd be willing to bet Evan shows up with another very smart program from Lori Nichol which will undoubtedly take advantage of COP. Evan will be the male version of Carolina and score well with much less difficult jump content, but high levels in the other areas. It will be very interesting indeed. Even Plushenko is switching to Carmelengo to finally get smarter COP programs. It's going to be an exciting season!

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    I can't imagine that Weir even at his best would be in contention for a medal, either nationally or internationally, except maybe at one of the GP events. He never had a quad. His skating is meticulous but neither powerful nor technically loaded. When he earned only sixth place at the Olympics with a clean skate, it showed what international judges think of his skills. And Johnny hasn't spent the last three years honing his abilities and trying to up his content. If even Takahashi and Hanyu can't beat Patrick Chan, how could Weir hope to beat any of the three?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Business View Post
    One major caveat though: it remains to be seen how the ISU will change the rules and/or reeducate the judges before the next season. Given how contentious Patrick Chan's scores have been, culminating in the massive booing at Worlds that all the ISU top brass heard in person, I think it's almost certain that we're in for a reconfiguration of some parts of the IJS. I don't know what form the changes will take, but done a certain way it could benefit Evan. For instance, if judges were told to severely ding someone's PCS if they make a major mistake during a skate.
    Or maybe they will decide that the CoP is fine but the audience needs more educating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Weir has long been left in the dust by Evan after 2008. I don't think he'll ever catch up again.
    In major international competitions (= Worlds and Olympics) starting in 2005 Worlds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Or maybe they will decide that the CoP is fine but the audience needs more educating.
    Lol, there will be pamplets, educational videos, and binoculars at the ticket box for every ISU event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    I can't imagine that Weir even at his best would be in contention for a medal, either nationally or internationally, except maybe at one of the GP events. He never had a quad. His skating is meticulous but neither powerful nor technically loaded. When he earned only sixth place at the Olympics with a clean skate, it showed what international judges think of his skills. And Johnny hasn't spent the last three years honing his abilities and trying to up his content. If even Takahashi and Hanyu can't beat Patrick Chan, how could Weir hope to beat any of the three?
    I think we've seen Weir's artistical and technical boundaries. And I think Weir knows where he could realistically stand among those top skaters nationally and internationally, and he is content with it and will enjoy the "participation".

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