2012 ISU World Team Trophy Predictions

[DobrinFan]

This is what I have so far

Dance:
1. Canada
2. USA
3. France
4. Russia
5. Italy
6. Japan

Pairs:
1. Russia
2. Japan
3. Canada
4. USA
5. Italy
6. France

Team Final Results:
1. Japan
2.
3.
4.
5.
6. Italy

Eh, I'll finish the rest later

[golden411]

DobrinFan, if you're trying to predict the ultimate order of team gold/silver/bronze, etc., I suggest that you keep the placements of the individual singles skaters separate - as opposed to one combined men's placement and one combined women's placement per country.

If I understand the rules correctly, each singles skater will receive his/her own placement points (from 12 for first place on down to 1 for last place).
In other words, Takahashi and Kozuka each will receive separate placement points.
[Pairs and dance couples will receive placement points from 12 on down to 7.]

[Sjs5572]

Entries are now listed (men, ladies, pairs, ice dance)

Team USA
Abbott, Rippon, Wagner, Gold, Denney/Coughlin, Davis/White

Team Canada
Chan, Reynolds, Lacoste, Phanuef, Duhamel/Radford, Virtue/Moir

Team France
Amodio, Joubert, Meite, Silete, Popova/Massot, Pechalat/Bourzat

Team Italy

Bacchini, Contesti, Kostner, Marchei, Berton/Hotarek, Cappellini/Lanotte

Team Japan
Kozuka, Takahashi, Murakami, Suzuki, Takahashi/Tran, Reed/Reed

Team Russia
Bush, Voronov, Leonova, Sotnikova, Bazarova/Larionov, Ilinykh/Katsalapov

Predictions?

Predictions:
Chan, Takahashi, Abbott, Kozuka, Amodio, Joubert, Rippon, Contesti, Reynolds, Voronov, Bush, Bacchini

Wagner, Suzuki, Kostner, Gold, Leonova, Murakami, Sotnikova, Marchei, Phaneuf, Silete, Lacoste, Meite

D/R, T/T, B/L, D/C, B/H, P/M

V/M, D/W, P/B, I/K, C/L, R/R

[DobrinFan]

DobrinFan, if you're trying to predict the ultimate team winner, I suggest that you keep the placements of the individual singles skaters separate - as opposed to one combined men's placement and one combined women's placement per country.

If I understand the rules correctly, each singles skater will receive his/her own placement points (from 12 for first place on down to 1 for last place).
In other words, Takahashi and Kozuka each will receive separate placement points.
[Pairs and dance couples will receive placement points from 12 on down to 7.]

Okay, okay, but this will make things a lot harder my mind is going into overdrive

[Skater Boy]

I'm really surprised that Gachinski is going but not Tukt since I saw videos of Liza a few weeks ago and she looked pretty good while Gachinski is not doing well right now. And I'm REALLY surprised Sotnikova will go. I'm happy that she'll have another chance this year. I wonder why Sot is going instead of Liza... ISU didn't let her or Mishin decided to let her rest some more or Russia just decided to give Adelina another try?

I don't think Liza is age eligible. Still Russia's chances dropped without V and T or even K and S. Japan is looking better and better. the USA has to find a second lady to back up Wagner. Send Alissa and see if she can redeem herself. if she bombs while it sounds mean - time for her to hit the books and may be do a few shows - Cinderella, a smurf whatever

[Skater Boy]

NOPE...its gonna be Ashely and Gracie!!!

http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00027888.htm

Wow they are really investing in Gracie. I would have liked to send Zhang to see if she could skate consistently for a third time this year. She has been pretty solid. It is a bit of a slap to Zawadia,, Gao, Zhang et al. It also suggests people aren't taking the team event as serious - almost like a farm team or develpment - how sad. Maybe it needs to be made aprt of the World championship?

[PolymerBob]

Vanessa is the alternate. They might have picked Gracie over Caroline and Agnes, but not Vanessa.
Caroline and Agnes must have declined.

[enlight78]

I would like to chang my Prediction now
Gold Japan
Silver Usa
Bronze Canada
4th Russia
5th Italy
6th France

[mskater93]

Wow they are really investing in Gracie. I would have liked to send Zhang to see if she could skate consistently for a third time this year. She has been pretty solid. It is a bit of a slap to Zawadia,, Gao, Zhang et al. It also suggests people aren't taking the team event as serious - almost like a farm team or develpment - how sad. Maybe it needs to be made aprt of the World championship?

It's a great way to introduce her to international Senior competition without throwing her to the GP wolves...I am pretty sure she was asked before Z or Z.

[Mathman]

I think Canada's fate is in the hands of Reynolds and Phaneuf. We pretty much know how the rest will fare (assuming that Duhamel and Radford keep up the good work). If Reynolds and Phaneuf surprise a few people, Canada is right in it with Japan.

I am rooting for Italy to beat somebody!

Vanessa is the alternate. They might have picked Gracie over Caroline and Agnes, but not Vanessa.

Caroline and Agnes must have declined.

Yeah, Caroline and Agnes (also Mirai) have not skated in two months. Gracie and Vanessa did Junior Worlds, so they might be better prepared to compete at this point.

[Sylvia]

Here are placements base on the most recent scores;

I don't mind your copying the Worlds/SB scores I compiled over at FSU but wish you had credited my effort (I notice you've edited out the SB scores of the skaters whose Worlds scores weren't their season bests): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...&postcount=157

Ranked in order of 2012 Worlds or Jr Worlds scores; SB scores included:

MEN
Chan CAN (266.11 Worlds 1st; SB 273.94 4CC 1st)
Takahashi JPN (259.66 Worlds 2nd; SB 259.75 NHK 1st)
Joubert FRA (SB 244.58 Worlds 4th)
Amodio FRA (SB 243.03 Worlds 5th)
Abbott USA (226.19 Worlds 8th; SB 238.82 GPF 5th)
Contesti ITA (SB 224.89 Worlds 10th)
Kozuka JPN (218.63 Worlds 11th; SB 235.02 NHK 2nd)
Reynolds CAN (SB 217.20 Worlds 12th)
Rippon USA (216.63 Worlds 13th; SB 221.55 4CC 4th)
[Voronov RUS (SB 210.04 Worlds 17th) - WD due to injury & replaced by Maxim Kovtun]
Bush RUS (SB 196.06 Jr Worlds 5th)
ETA on April 11: Kovtun RUS 193.76 (JGP Final, 4th)
Bacchini ITA (SB 170.11 Euros 16th)

LADIES
Kostner ITA (SB 189.94 Worlds 1st)
Leonova RUS (SB 184.28 Worlds 2nd)
Suzuki JPN (180.68 Worlds 3rd; SB 185.98 NHK 1st)
Wagner USA (176.77 Worlds 4th; SB 192.41 4CC 1st)
Murakami JPN (SB 175.41 Worlds 5th)
Gold USA (171.85 Jr Worlds 2nd; SB 172.69 JGP EST 1st)
Sotnikova RUS (168.45 Jr Worlds 3rd; SB 169.75 Russia GP 3rd)
Marchei ITA (SB 150.10 Worlds 8th)
Silete FRA (SB 148.18 Worlds 12th)
Lacoste CAN (138.60 Worlds 16th; SB 148.48 Russia GP 8th)
Phaneuf CAN (SB 147.47 4CC 8th)
Meite FRA (SB 145.44 TEB GP 6th)

PAIRS
Takahashi/Tran JPN (SB 189.69 Worlds 3rd)
Duhamel/Radford CAN (SB 185.41 Worlds 5th)
Bazarova/Larionov RUS (183.68 Worlds 6th; 193.79 SB Euros)
Denney/Coughlin USA (180.37 Worlds 8th; SB 185.42 4CC 2nd)
Berton/Hotarek ITA (SB 168.16 Worlds 11th)
Popova/Massot FRA (SB 139.98 Euros 8th)

DANCE
Virtue/Moir CAN (182.65 Worlds 1st; SB 183.34 GPF 2nd)
Davis/White USA (178.62 Worlds 2nd; SB 188.55 GPF 1st)
Pechalat/Bourzat FRA (SB 173.18 Worlds 3rd)
Ilinykh/Katsalapov RUS (SB 161.00 Worlds 5th)
Cappellini/Lanotte ITA (SB 160.62 Worlds 6th)
Reed/Reed JPN (Worlds 24th FNR; SB 123.22 NHK 7th)

Japan:11+6+10+8+12+7=54

USA:8+4+9+7+9+11=48

Canada:12+5+3+2+11+12=45

Russia:3+2+11+6+10+9= 41

Italy:7+1+12+5+8+8 =41

France:10+9+4+1+7+10=41

The teams seem to be evenly matched with most of them score in the low 40's: Its seams like T/T are given Japan the edge and how they perform will determine who gets gold or not.

Thanks for doing the math!

[DianaSelene]

I don't think Liza is age eligible. Still Russia's chances dropped without V and T or even K and S. Japan is looking better and better. the USA has to find a second lady to back up Wagner. Send Alissa and see if she can redeem herself. if she bombs while it sounds mean - time for her to hit the books and may be do a few shows - Cinderella, a smurf whatever

But if we go by worlds and euros rules, Sotnikova would not be eligible either. Shw was born one day late.

[jamie]

Predictions:
Takahashi, Chan, Amodio, Kozuka, Abbott, Joubert, Rippon, Contesti, Reynolds, Voronov, Bush, Bacchini

Sotnikova, Kostner, Suzuki, Leonova, Wagner, Gold, Murakami, Meite, Silete, Marchei, Lacoste, Phaneuf

Takahashi/Tran, B/L, D/R, B/H, D/C, P/M

V/M, D/W, P/B, I/K, C/L, R/R

[macy]

wow i'm so surprised they're sending gracie. what a slap in the face to alissa.

[Sjs5572]

wow i'm so surprised they're sending gracie. what a slap in the face to alissa.

I love Alissa as much as any red-blooded American uber-fan. However, after back to back meltdowns at Challenge Cup and Worlds, it seems that she is in no shape to compete (physically and/or mentally).

In addition, significant prize money is at stake. Sending her, IMHO, wouldn't be fair to the other USA team members.