I think it depends on what they and the USFSA figure their chances of winning Ice Dance are. Either D/W and S/S should be eligible to go. D/W should be sent to compete for 1st place in Dance but if that is conceded, then there is no difference which team goes if D/W wishes to rest.Originally Posted by dorispulaski
I think it is very unlikely that the ISU will exercise its "right" to exclude an entire team mentioned in the last paragraph of Golden's post above. I think they are just mildly leaning on the federations to lean on the currently hot skaters in order to to make a better television show.
About age restrictions, I believe that the Russian federation made inquiries learlier to allow Elizavete Tuktamysysheva to compete. I don't know what the ISU ruling was, but i think the Russian federation dropped the matter in any case.
Last edited by Mathman; 04-03-2012 at 11:22 AM.
^^^^ It's equally unlikely that D/W and the USFSA want to appear to concede.
Even if Davis and White go and get second, that is still 11 placement points. There is no guarantee that Shibutani and Shibutani or Hubbel and Donahue can beat Pechalat & Bourzat, Ilinykh & Katsalapov (or Bobrova & Soloviev), or Cappellini & Lanotte.
I was assuming S/S would take 2nd place, not thinking France and other non contending nations may beat them to take some points away. The US certainly can't afford to give those points to the Russians. I guess I forgot how low S/S placed most recently.
Good explanation re ISU's bark being worse than its bite, Mathman -- thanks!
If/if re Tuktamysheva:
If her birth date is Dec 17, 1996 (as per ISU bio page), then by my arithmetic, she would have been 14 yrs old before July 1, 2011. If that is the WTT age requirement (as I believe), then she meets it. So maybe there is still hope that we will see her in Tokyo??
Mishin's students don't plan to go to WTT. Neither Liza nor Gachinski or Plush.
I didn't even think about Plushenko! That would have been so cool. But I suppose he is not ready to compete, even if Mr. Mishin would have encouraged/allowed it.
Unfortunately Slepa's information settles the matter.
But about age, yes, I think you are right. The age is 14 for ISU International Competitions" (for instance the Grand Prix), and 15 for "ISU Championships" (Worlds, Euros and Four Continents). So is this a ISU Championship?
But the Team Trophy Annoucement makes it clear by referring to the ISU Constitution, rule 108, paragraph 2b (ISU Competitions) rather than 2a (Cahmpionships).So I guess the Russian Fed could have sent Elizaveta if they had wanted to.
Anyway, the national federations must submit their slate by Thursday, so we should know soon enough!
Not a prediction, but if each federation sent exactly the same skaters to the team trophy as they did to worlds, and if each skater pleced exactly the same way as at worlds, here is how it would turn out.
JAPAN
Takahashi 11
Hnayu 10
Suzuki 10
Asada 8
Takahashi/Tran 11
Reed/Reed 7
Total 57
Japanese ladies can probably do better, maybe land two on the podium.
CANADA
Chan 12
Reynolds 5
LaCoste 4
Canada #2 1
Duhamel/Radford 10
Virtue/Moir 12
Total 54
Canada can move up a point or two if Phaneuf comes as Canada #2 and beats someone.
USA
Abbott 7
Rippon 4
Wagner 9
Czisny 3
Denney/Coughlin 9
Davis/White 11
Total 43
Best chance to move up is for their men to do better, send Caroline Zhang as second lady.
RUSSIA
Voronov 3
Gachinski 2
Leonova 11
Makarova 6
Volosozhar/Trankov 9
Ilinykh/Katsalapov 9
Total 43
Gachinski can do much better (but the report on this thread says he will not be going), but the ladies might not do as well as at Worlds.
ITALY
Contesti 6
Italy #2 1
Kostner 12
Marchei 7
Berton/Hotarek 8
Alessandrini/Vaturi 8
Total 42
Go Italy! Do they have another man?
FRANCE
Joubert 9
Amodio 8
Silete 5
France #2 1
James/Cipres 7
Penchalet/Bourzat 11
Total 41.
Hard to overcome their weakness in ladies and pairs.
Last edited by Mathman; 04-03-2012 at 10:40 PM.
Volosozhar/Trankov should have 12 instead of 9 and Penchalet/Bourzat should have 10: Russia would finish above USA.Not a prediction, but if each federation sent exactly the same skaters to the team trophy as they did to worlds, and if each skater pleced exactly the same way as at worlds, here is how it would turn out.
JAPAN
Takahashi 11
Hnayu 10
Suzuki 10
Asada 8
Takahashi/Tran 11
Reed/Reed 7
Total 57
Japanese ladies can probably do better, maybe land two on the podium.
CANADA
Chan 12
Reynolds 5
LaCoste 4
Canada #2 1
Duhamel/Radford 10
Virtue/Moir 12
Total 54
Canada can move up a point or two if Phaneuf comes as Canada #2 and beats someone.
USA
Abbott 7
Rippon 4
Wagner 9
Czisny 3
Denney/Coughlin 9
Davis/White 11
Total 43
Best chance to move up is for their men to do better, send Caroline Zhang as second lady.
RUSSIA
Voronov 3
Gachinski 2
Leonova 11
Makarova 6
Volosozhar/Trankov 9
Ilinykh/Katsalapov 9
Total 43
Gachinski can do much better (but the report on this thread says he will not be going), but the ladies might not do as well as at Worlds.
ITALY
Contesti 6
Italy #2 1
Kostner 12
Marchei 7
Berton/Hotarek 8
Alessandrini/Vaturi 8
Total 42
Go Italy! Do they have another man?
FRANCE
Joubert 9
Amodio 8
Silete 5
France #2 1
James/Cipres 7
Penchalet/Bourzat 11
Total 41.
Hard to overcome their weakness in ladies and pairs.
Team Japan for this WTT was announced.
Suzuki
Murakami
Takahashi
Kozuka (Hanyu injured)
T&T
Reeds
AFAIR, the Italians have Paolo Bacchini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJi5jMN5L1c
He competed for Italy at Sheffield at Europeans.
I think V/T aren't going, I think it could be because no competition for them since there is no S/S
Tuk Tuk is competing I think she did the test skates at Mishin Cup, don't know if they dropped her bid or not
the team could be:
1 Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
2 Alena Leonova
3 Voronov, Gachinski not going ?
4 I/K
5 K/S
B/L are going instead of K/S. I'm so dissapointed((
About Plush it was known long time ago because if his surgery. But all the rest is just. A month ago or so they were fighting for Liza's right to take part in WTT. Now after Gachi's fiasco in Nice I assume Mishin doesn't want to take part in any event for a while. V/T, healthy and not injuried, are out because without SS, you see people, the event is not much fun for them. Oh, yes. And then Piseev said in the tone of some Soviet leader that WTT is just a commercial show for the sake of Japanese organizers. Well, there is some truth in his words when he claims that the format of WTT doesn't correspond to the format of OG: two single skaters instead of one just in order to satisfy the gap that Japan has in dances and pairs. All right I get it, Mr. P. But. Still the event is an Olympic Gold Medal segment, where the mother Russia is definitely planning to medal, even gold medal. And to see how the RFSF basically disses the event by not bringing the best skaters, well. Just don't whine later, Mr.P.
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