And again, it's the principle of it all. Ricky's 9th place at Worlds was considered a GOOD finish for an up-and-comer just out of juniors. Had Abbott gone and placed 9th people would be complaining about how he underperformed. By sending Ricky, and even Ross who finished in 11th, USFSA saved themselves of "Jeremy Abbott is such a headcase" smack talk, and the trip to Worlds, despite the mediocre placement, was especially helpful for Ross who really stepped it up this season and won a bunch of medals as a result, even Ricky had a solid GP season and I'm sure the scores and placements they earned had something to do with getting to go to Worlds last season. The team last year didn't get 3 spots back, but the two young members did well and showed that they could hang with the big guys already, so that was encouraging that either could be contenders in the future. For example, Song finishing 14th with all his quads this year was a bit of a reality check - his TES is great, but he really needs to work on PCS to be competitive. But Ricky and Ross were pretty well received at Worlds and got good marks.
And anyways there was pressure on Josh at JW - I'm sure his being sent was a tough decision to make with his placement at Nationals being what it was, he could have been reasonably passed over in favor of Phillip Warren and it was likely a tough call. I'm sure he wanted to prove to everyone his Nationals was just a fluke, and sure enough he did with the way he skated at JW, he showed that when he skates up to his potential, he is better than Jason Brown and Denis Ten and on par with Han Yan. I'm sure there would have been a lot of "Philip should have been sent instead" talk had Farris not skated well at JW. I'm not saying he should have been named to Worlds after Nationals, certainly not, he was far from his best there. But after the results of 4CC, JW, and Challenge Cup were all in, it would have made sense to at least consider him, based on his JW marks, if there was a test skate to be held to determine who should go to Worlds.
Last edited by silverlake22; 04-04-2012 at 12:09 PM.
All this will be mute when Jason Brown gets his 3axel.
Richard Dornbush earned his spot in Worlds last year by winning the free skate and getting the silver medal.
Given Josh's progress, I'm confident he will get a Worlds spot someday, probably even next season, but 2012 Worlds wasn't his time.
Last edited by Mrs. P; 04-04-2012 at 12:22 PM.
Thanks, Mrs. P - that was the point I was trying to make. Let's let the skaters mature at their proper rate and not force them into something they aren't ready for. Farris' rate this year was at the Junior International level as was Gold's.
No one really makes that big a deal about who gets Junior events if at least one person medals. If Farris had been lower and Brown still on the podium, no one would have blinked.
My point about Dornbush - did he really fare all that well on the GP circuit? Medal? Make the final? You'd think someone who was top 10 in the world the previous year would at least squeak out a bronze at one or both their events. 4th in a "meh" group at SA isn't all that great. He seemed to be feeling some pressure of being the "leading man" since Bradley retired as he was the silver medalist. He fared very poorly at Nationals and again at 4C after having a "meh" fall. I thought last season Dornbush should have finished his season at JWs and Abbott sent to Worlds in his place.
FWIW, I thought Miner made a strong case for the second spot at Nationals this year.
Last edited by mskater93; 04-04-2012 at 01:06 PM.
Like Ross Miner, he may require significant work in the gym to get a consistent, big 3A. Ross's was a bit iffy when he made his senior debut on the GP-between the GP and last year's nationals he really hit the gym, and the results speak for themselves. He now has a really good 3A.
That's why Rippon needs to do the work in the gym.
It may take Jason another year. Or he may never get there But I hope it's this year!
Also Jason looks like he works out in the gym a lot. He is quite muscular. I wonder if the 3a struggles are something more due to his body build. He seems to have more mass in his lower body and be narrower through the shoulders. Usually, the best jumpers have broad shoulders. Maybe it's just a matter of puberty but Jason doesn't look painfully thin to me in the way that Adam Rippon does.
Last edited by silverlake22; 04-04-2012 at 04:37 PM.
I've seen Adam Rippon in person, he is not as painfully thin as he appears on TV and videos. His arms are quite muscular, but he is quite slim.
Jason is a skater best appreciated in person. Without seeing him in person, you don't "feel" his magnetism. Once you've seen him in person, you KNOW what he's projecting and can appreciate him more. His style is not all that feminine, really, it's more flowing and elegant.
Jason's moves and choreography are interesting and sometimes innovative and he has nice flow, but I don't find him elegant at all, something to do with his not only pivoting at his hips but his butt sticking out more than others with similar postures. With his slender build he might join the group of quadsters like Plushenko, Reynolds, and Brezina but is still struggling with his 3A due to lack of power.
silverlake is right that Jason is far from universally appealing, as some foreign forums clearly indicate.
I think Alex is the best coach in the state of IL. Yes he is a little nuts. If he sees you working hard the he will work with you & you will get the jumps.I think Alex is better than the so called great coaches.
Last edited by silverlake22; 04-08-2012 at 11:13 PM.
I think the long hesitation before Rippon´s triple axel is scary, and I start feeling scary as I see that the guy seems to be afraid of the jump. Triple axel should be jumped the way Ilia Kulik did during his eligible career (it should be effortless = without long hesitation):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JaYkoTMeZU Ilia Kulik 17 years old (Europeans 1995)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9KjmsDW4BA Worlds (Worlds 1996) where Ilia had the start number 2 and still won the sp competition.
My favourite Ilia Kulik freeskate (from 1996 Centennial on Ice):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojGVgMLOSzw where he jumps a triple axel late in the programme. Adam Rippon, look at these performances and learn!!!
Last edited by Jaana; 04-09-2012 at 02:40 AM.