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I don't think that is actually right, according to the rules. The -1 deduction is not for finishing behind the music, it is for exceeding the four and a half minutes that are allotted for a men's long program. (I think there is a couple of seconds leeway.)
Whatever way you want to put it, there is no difference between finishing behind music and exceeding the four and a half minutes. They are talking about the samething.
The time starts when the skater begins to move and ends when he stops moving. It has nothing to do with music.
This is incorrect.
Watch this Patrick's World LP. You could see that his music started at 55" and at 5' 35" the music struck the last note. But it was not the end. There has to be, in this case, a time to allow the last note to finish. I would say that the music has finished, at least, at 5' 37". The music was 4' 43" long. I could also say that the music has finished at 5' 38" because depending on different person's different interpretation, the fermata could be stretched longer in order to fully express the feeling of the music.
Patrick's movements started at 58" and ended at 5' 38". They took 4' 41". If he did the movements correctly according to the music, his movements should take 4' 38".
Assume that we consider the music has ended at 5' 37". If you say that he was still moving after the music has stopped, then he was one second behind the music. If you say his last movement should be at exactly the time when the last note of the music struck (which I personally think it should in this case), then he was three seconds behind the music.
Where else the time deduction could go to besides Interpretation? There is a timing's definition for ice dance:
Timing
Definition: The ability of the couple to skate strictly in time with the music and to reflect the rhythm patterns and prescribed beat values of the compulsory (pattern) dance.
So time is first and foremost related to music interpretation. Even though there is no timing requirement in singles, there is a time deduction. My understanding is that CoP gives more flexibilities related to music in singles than in ice dance but want to make sure that there is not too much freedom as to be off the certain limit of timing. This mandatory deduction (the mandatory fall deduction as well) is to ensure that there is some sort of punishment in case some of the judges took liberty not to give any deduction.
Therefore, I personally think that it goes into interpretation as if mandatory deduction of falls goes into technical portion of the scores. Of course, there is no difference whether you minus this number first or minus this number last because there are only additions and subtractions. So might as well leave it outside to emphasize the punishment.
If you think that the correct score, according to the rules, for Patrick's Interpretation, is 8.21, then it seem like you should be curious about why the judges gave him 9's.
Yes, the judges know more than we do. Still, I am curious. No one has yet offered a point-by-point justification of all these 9s, citing the published criteria of the CoP. The only response to fan's curiosity is, "judgie knows best."
My best guess, I don't know what the judges think, is that:
1) the judges have considered the mandatory time deduction within the interpretation category.
2) Patrick's timing in the category of interpretation, besides the last minute of the program, was excellent.
I have proof for this claim too. If you watch his Worlds LP carefully, you could see that every single jump of his in this program, before the last minute, was landed on the struck of a strong beat. His landing blade touched the ice just when the music struck a strong note.:yes: This is soooooo difficult to do. No matter if he was ready or not to do the jump, he had to jump according to the music. And he did them so perfectly! Even in the last minute, I think I could say that his last sequence wasn't affected much by the delay if we talk about it purely from the perspective of music interpretation.
Upon reviewing Patrick's World LP, I'm ready to declare that Patrick is indeed astonishingly musical! I think he deserved high IN marks!:thumbsup:
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