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Thread: Alissa Czisny plans to compete next season

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    alissa is high enough up to get 2 gp events. she might event get skate america.

    should she compete yes, can she put it behind her--lets see--maybe yes, maybe no.4 times world--14th, 11th, to 5th to 22nd. 3 times fc--9th, 7th, 5th.

    will they still cheat for alissa absolutely.

    no sure if zhang will even get one.I think she will 24-25 in world rankings when come out. (not sure if they still want her despite the high LIP SERVICE) they gave her this year.

    with WTT i am not sure her score will hold up at least 7 of the skaters have top 13 scores this season and 3 are behind here all went to worlds and jr. worlds.

    alissa does well in beginning it is ending i am getting worried about. i am taking a wait and see approach to alissa next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    I would rather USFS judge Nationals fairly and justify keeping Czisny off the team despite her placement as opposed to intentionally holding her down. 4 trips, only once in top 10 (25%) is a pretty strong argument against her...
    Certainly the number one priority is to judge U.S. Nationals fairly.

    But as for "keeping her off the world team because she has not been successful in the past," that is kind of a slippery slope that I don't think the USFSA will want to start down.

    The criteria for who is selected for the world team is written down pretty concretely. Placement at U.S. Nationals is the most important (historically almost the only factor), and the other things listed are placement at other international events like the Grand Prix, Four Continents, and last year's worlds. I suppose they could weigh 2012 Worlds heavily against Alissa (although no other U.S. lady except Ashley got ahead of her in terms of Worlds placement this year), but going back years in the past and saying she had four chances and messed up three out of four times is not in the rules.

    Plus, who will be making all of these decisions about who to place on the team and who to yank. Pat St. Peter? Doug Williams? For better or for worse the USFSA has always prided itself on being a rules-oriented organization, not one governed by the whim of the individuals in positions of authority.

    One reason why traditionally U.S. nationals held such a prominent place in selecting the world team is that every skater has a chance to qualify and compete. If we put more emphasis on other events like the Grand Prix, remember that those Grand Prix assignments are given out by the same federation committee that has jurisdiction over the team selection. We would not want a situation where the federation big-wigs decided in advance who they wanted to send to worlds, then skewed everything all season to make sure it turned out that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Alissa is #5 on the ISU World Ranking list and #8 on the Seasons Best list. She is not guaranteed two GP events, but she still may get two invitations, even if it's because a federation is hoping she won't do well....
    I would think that would be irresistible for a federation who has a pretty good girl that they are trying to promote. Alissa is highly ranked, popular with audiences in spite of everything, a good draw, but "I know I can beat her!"

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    Alissa is loveable and I started a consolation "be kind" thread. I am surprised she wants to keep competing when she cannot do well. I agree she should not have placed second at Nationals. Caroline deserved it and, no Alissa should not ever get 2nd again with her 2-3 triple landed cleanly. I don't think it will happen, Gold is coming. Zhang may stil have that 3L3L and she deserved higher marks, even Rachael would have done better. Agnes and of course Ashley will be fighting for top spot. Alissa is a great person, beauitiful skater, if slow but is not a competitor. That is the fact, no cruelty intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Alissa is loveable and I started a consolation "be kind" thread. I am surprised she wants to keep competing when she cannot do well. I agree she should not have placed second at Nationals. Caroline deserved it and, no Alissa should not ever get 2nd again with her 2-3 triple landed cleanly. I don't think it will happen, Gold is coming. Zhang may stil have that 3L3L and she deserved higher marks, even Rachael would have done better. Agnes and of course Ashley will be fighting for top spot. Alissa is a great person, beauitiful skater, if slow but is not a competitor. That is the fact, no cruelty intended.
    Seriously! That's the problem at Nats. For some miraculous reason, Alissa got ridiculous PCS compare to the rest of the girls' when her programs are probably the emptiest of them all. The whole time, she was stroking around, set up for jumps, then stroking around. Spins aren't transition. Whatever happened to fair judging? Her TR should be in the 4s if everyone else got 5-6-7.

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    The criteria for who is selected for the world team is written down pretty concretely. Placement at U.S. Nationals is the most important (historically almost the only factor), and the other things listed are placement at other international events like the Grand Prix, Four Continents, and last year's worlds.
    And at "last year's world's", she placed 22nd after two disastrous skates. That should be considered a strike. She wasn't even offered 4CCs but historically she has not done well at that event either.

    I think Chuckm nailed it as far as Nationals goes, though. They've got to mark her fairly, and while that means not holding her down, it ALSO means not holding her up, either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fairly4 View Post
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    no sure if zhang will even get one.I think she will 24-25 in world rankings when come out. (not sure if they still want her despite the high LIP SERVICE) they gave her this year.


    Well, if Zhang got one after a poor year, she deserves two after the very good year she just had.

    I think eight women got assignments last year. If Gold and possibly Hicks turn senior, and no one retires, many will receive only one assignment this coming year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-man View Post
    Well, if Zhang got one after a poor year, she deserves two after the very good year she just had.

    I think eight women got assignments last year. If Gold and possibly Hicks turn senior, and no one retires, many will receive only one assignment this coming year.
    Yes, the assignments are going to be VERY interesting no doubt but I don't think (for better or worse) that Alissa is going to lose two. Mirai very well may. Rachael almost surely will. Joelle Forte had one this year, I doubt she'll get even one next year. Christina Gao had 2, and will probably have to settle for 1. Agnes may get 2. I think Caroline did not get even 1, this coming year she will get at least 1 probably 2. It's going to be really fascinating.
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    I think Zhang was the host pick at SA last year along with Forte.

    Probably a safe bet to say at least Wagner will get 2. Czisny and Zawadzki will probably get 2. Zhang MAY get 2 if she gets the host pick + another event. Not sure about the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Dear Alissa: WE LOVE YOUR SKATING NO MATTER WHAT.

    This part was interesting:



    I wondered about that. The USFSA is very loyal to their champions, even when they don't perform up to par.

    This makes it seem like Jason Dungjen made the call, not Alissa herself. She seems to have great confidence in her coaching team.
    I think the US federation picked exactly the team it wanted at the competition. If anything,she,and others were offerred the alternate position,and the coach turned it down as a face saving gesture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    And at "last year's world's", she placed 22nd after two disastrous skates. That should be considered a strike.
    It is hard to say. Usually this means that if skater A got third at worlds and skater B got eighth, then that would be a point in favor of sending A over B next year. A bad skate versus no skate -- I don't know how they would factor that in.

    It does seem like the USFSA is in a period of re-evaluating its long-held views on world team selections. Personally, I am not sure we need this change because the figure skating world already has the Russian, French,, and Canadian federations, if that sort of thing is what we want.

    She wasn't even offered 4CCs but historically she has not done well at that event either.
    Again, history is not part of the published criteria. I am just afraid we are selling our pure, innocent, naive soul to the Machiavellian devil here.

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    I think the US federation picked exactly the team it wanted at the competition. If anything, she, and others were offerred the alternate position, and the coach turned it down as a face saving gesture.
    I think you are probably right about that. Patricia St. Peter started beating the Gracie Gold drum even before U.S. Nationals, saying that the uSFSA might even send Gracie to senior worlds.

    Still, I think it is true that USFS does have a history of giving continued support to their skaters even when the going gets tough. Rachael Flatt was supposedly in the USFSA doghouse after 2011 worlds, but she still got two Grand Prix assignments.

    The other thing that struck an odd note in Alissa's interview was when she said, "I love to compete." Gosh, she looks like it is pure torture to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Still, I think it is true that USFS does have a history of giving continued support to their skaters even when the going gets tough. Rachael Flatt was supposedly in the USFSA doghouse after 2011 worlds, but she still got two Grand Prix assignments, that she rightfully earn by placing in the top 12 at that year's worlds.
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    Ashley is seeded and guaranteed two GP invitations. I'm sure USFS will ask her if she wants SA.

    Gold is #12 on the Seasons Best list and should get at least one GP event for her silver JW medal. I'd be surprised if USFS doesn't give Gracie SA if she doesn't get a second invitation.

    Caroline Zhang medaled at 4CC and is #9 on the Seasons Best list AND is #19 in World Ranking. Mirai is #11 on the SB list and #9 in World Ranking. These two should get at least one GP invitation and maybe two.

    Rachael is #15 on the WR but #38 on SB. She might get one GP. Maybe.

    Zawadzki is #25 on both lists and is guaranteed no invitations, although I think she might get one initial invite.

    Gao and Lam rank even lower and may be out of luck this year with respect to the GP.


    Even if Courtney Hicks takes the Senior test and plans to compete at US Nationals as a Senior, she'd be better off competing in the JGP again as there is no way she'd get a GP invitation---she is #30 on the SB list and #81 in WR.

    I wonder if USFS will send some of Flatt, Gao, Lam and Zawadzki (or anyone else without two invitations) to the Senior B that is being held in the US in September and use the results of that event to decide who will get a SA host spot.
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    I think Zawadzki and Gao will probably each get 1 GP, and then a host spot at SA could get one of them up to 2 events. As for Lam, I think her SB is higher than Gao's, but she's been on a downward trend since the start of the season. Maybe she will do JGP again? I think she could be out of luck regarding the GP, though I could be wrong.

    What is the deal with men? I think Jeremy is the only one garaunteed 2? Miner, Rippon, Dornbush, Farris, Brown are all garaunteed 1 each, but who from this pool will get 2? Miner I assume, Farris and Brown probably if they even move up, Rippon maybe, Dornbush maybe not because he's had a rough season (not making the top 24 for SB) and just makes the cutoff for WR at number 23. Armin isn't even garaunteed 1 but could get 1 anyways. What is the deal with Lysacek and Weir if they come back? Also is there any hopes for the likes of Aaron, Messing, Razzano, Carriere, etc? I assume Mroz won't be doing GP.

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    At this moment Gao and Lam are not guaranteed 1 gp. They are not ranked in the top 24 in neither season best or world ranking. Neither is Agnes by the way. So to give them a host pick could hypothetically mean no second assignment for Nagasu, Zhang, Gold, or Czisny. But I think Czisny is high enough to get a second one elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DobrinFan View Post
    At this moment Gao and Lam are not guaranteed 1 gp. They are not ranked in the top 24 in neither season best or world ranking.
    Alright thanks for the update. I believe the same is actually true of Zawadzki? Who is highest on those lists? I still think they may be able to get 1 invite.

    ETA:
    Agnes' WR is 25, Christina 29, Vanessa 56

    For SB Agnes is 25, Vanessa 26, Christina 29

    So I'd say pecking order for GP invites, though none of the girls are guaranteed, would be Agnes, Christina, Vanessa. Which is why I think Agnes and Christina will be able to squeak out 1 invite each and Vanessa may be better off doing JGP again if she does not want to wind up empty handed in regards to fall internationals, although if she wants to move up and doesn't get a GP she could get Nebelhorn, Finlandia, or Ice Challenge.
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