Patrick Chan Parts Ways With Christy Krall

[Mathman]

Patrick Chan has great facial expressions. His face says, "I can do this. And when I finish doing this, I can do that. What can you do?

At least he doesn't look like he has a stomach ache all the time.

[Boeing787]

Actually it's not about his facial expression, it's about the choreography and arm movements. In his new ex number he still didn't have much facial expression - even he did we couldn't see until there was a close up. However we all feel he was a different skater this time. It's the choreography and arm movements that did the magic. This is what most audience will notice. But to win a competition that's not enough. Or Ge Misha could have at least medaled in the worlds. I thinks he has the best upper body movement among skaters. Ge Misha got a standing ovation from the audience at 4cc, but not much appreciation from the judges.

[gkelly]

Actually it's not about his facial expression, it's about the choreography and arm movements. In his new ex number he still didn't have much facial expression - even he did we couldn't see until there was a close up. However we all feel he was a different skater this time. It's the choreography and arm movements that did the magic. This is what most audience will notice. But to win a competition that's not enough. Or Ge Misha could have at least medaled in the worlds. I thinks he has the best upper body movement among skaters. Ge Misha got a standing ovation from the audience at 4cc, but not much appreciation from the judges.

Good point. But it's always dangerous to try to speak for everyone else: "we all feel."
Not everyone has the same reactions, especially emotional ones.

Which is why results based primarily on emotional reactions would always be suspect.

[Boeing787]

Good point. But it's always dangerous to try to speak for everyone else: "we all feel."
Not everyone has the same reactions, especially emotional ones.

Which is why results based primarily on emotional reactions would always be suspect.

Point taken.

[golden411]

Here is what the official announcement says about coaches:
All additional team members (one Team Leader per team, one Coach per Skater, maximum 2 Team Medical Staff and maximum 2 Team Officials) must be entered by using the respective Entry Form Composition of Delegation.

New photo from WTT shows that Kathy Johnson is there with Chan. It's the last photo in IN gallery titled, "Wednesday backstage at World Team Trophy." (Canadian flag can be seen in bkgd.)

[SkateFiguring]

In music and in dance, there are those that invite you to be involved, making you want to sing along and dance along, at least swaying your body to the rhyme or clapping to the beat, and there are those that awe you, taking you along an emotional journey, a story, to another world, or just plain mesmerizing beauty or weirdness. You may be a participant in emotion but not in motion or performance which is beyond your abilities. You may be awed and be grateful to have witnessed or experienced it but you may not take part physically. You can appreciate or resent the eliteness, or dismiss them as nonsense which they may or may not be. You easily relate to the former but not always to the latter all of which are not necessarily your cup of tea. Tastes vary but knowledgeable critics do at least appreciate the skills and talents in such performances.

Maybe I am just elaborating on the difference between reaching out and drawing in, not that they are entirely mutually exclusive.

Facial expressions, are they equally important and in range in hiphop and contemporary dance? Some executions do take so much skills and attention, be it break dancing or operatic singing, that facial expressions are not as focused on or noticeable, especially with quick motion performances like tumbling or full speed full body deep edged skating with many directional and vertical changes. The face just does not stay in one place long enough. But there are so many parts of the performer and performance to notice that the face's role becomes relatively small until the slow or still part of the performances. Of course, the more slow and still portions during the performance, the more the opportunities for the performer to showcase his/her facial expressions.

[skatinginbc]

So Patrick needs to improve his facial expression and performance capacity because "people" complain about his PCS? It is the waxel that got "people" all riled up and it is used against his winning even though they can't complain about his tech score. Much easier to complain about PCS with criticism on "facial expression" and "performance capacity". So some people just don't like his face. What can Patrick do about it to quell the criticism?

No, you got it wrong. People not only complained about his waxel, but also his spins, his awkward three-jump combo, his eye-catching off balanced footwork during the SP, his unconvincing or relatively lack of emotional/motivational involvement in his performances, his inability to match all choreographed finesse with musical nuances due to timing issues, his staying "at a similar level throughout" (according to Jackie Wong) or, in CoP language, lack of "artistic ways of bringing subtle variations to the intensity, tempo, and dynamics of the music", his recycled SP that he skated with such boredom--His face was bored, his arms were bored and even his buttocks and the blades that supported his unmotivated body were bored.....

Facial expression is one of the ways but not a necessary or important way to show a skater's emotional involvement to the music. Jeffrey Buttle, for example, did not express too much facial expression in his competitive programs, yet his commitment to the music and his emotional and intellectual involvement were honest and evident.

[SkateFiguring]

No, you got it wrong. People not only complained about his waxel, but also his spins, his awkward three-jump combo, his unconvincing or relatively lack of emotional/motivational involvement in his performances, his inability to match all choreographed finesse with musical nuances due to timing issues, his staying "at a similar level throughout" (according to Jackie Wong) or, in CoP language, lack of "artistic ways of bringing subtle variations to the intensity, tempo, and
dynamics of the music", his recycled SP that he skated with such boredom--His face was bored, his arms were bored and even his buttocks and the blades that supported his unmotivated body were bored.....

Facial expression is one of the ways but not a necessary or important way to show a skater's emotional involvement to the music. Jeffrey Buttle, for example, did not express too much facial expression in his competitive programs, yet his commitment to the music and his emotional and intellectual involvement were honest and evident.

As long it's "people" and not "we all feel", I guess you can state whatever you want as facts.

[Boeing787]

As long it's "people" and not "we all feel", I guess you can state whatever you want as facts.

[Mathman]

Even his buttocks were bored.

"Come on, butt, get into it."

http://s-ec-sm.buzzfeed.com/static/e...66008018-3.jpg

[SkateFiguring]

I guess his buttocks are signing in with different user names.

[mikiandorocks]

"Come on, butt, get into it."

http://s-ec-sm.buzzfeed.com/static/e...66008018-3.jpg

Great pic

[SkateFiguring]

Next year, Kathy Johnson will feel her role marginalized and leave Patrick who, having mastered body movements, has been spending more and more time with his facial expression coach.

[Boeing787]

Next year, Kathy Johnson will feel her role marginalized and leave Patrick who, having mastered body movements, has been spending more and more time with his facial expression coach.

or butt expression to make his haters happy.

[SkateFiguring]

or butt expression to make his haters happy.

No Morozov under any circumstances!