well, that depends on how desperate Patrick is to please his haters.Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
well, that depends on how desperate Patrick is to please his haters.
Mission Impossible.
-Great soundtrack choice for Patrick. With Morozov's trademark raunchy hip thrusting antics, Patrick will silence his critics in no time.
Last edited by Mathman; 04-18-2012 at 05:31 PM.
Why Morozov...
I remember day when I use to hear that he was choreographing a program and I was so excited but now it's just dread.
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
Whatever criticisms and insults some people throw at Lori Nichols, she is a proven champion maker whom top skaters flock to. Why mess with a winning formula? Unless she and Krall are a package deal. Johnson did take over Nichols' role as the artistic coach.
I agree. For some skaters things just really click like Michelle, S &P, Kostner and Patrick. Not everyone can click with everyone's work (ie. Mirai). No one is at fault if that happens.
The Mission Impossible theme has the same odd-ball 5/4 rhythm as Take Five. In fact, these are the only two songs I know that have that one-two-three-FOUR-five beat. He's got the program ready-made.
Don't forget the finger guns, and pulling off the rubber masks is the perfect pretext for head rubbing and face caressing.
Wait, did our posts just converge for a moment? Should I go see a doctor?The Mission Impossible theme has the same odd-ball 5/4 rhythm as Take Five. In fact, these are the only two songs I know that have that one-two-three-FOUR-five beat. He's got the program ready-made.
In all seriousness, Patrick's Take-Five isn't one my favorite performances of that song but Lori's design of the program is something to behold. Everything from the varied locations of the technical elements to the high-speed straightline step sequence down the length of the rink is great. You could take the skeleton of that program and make it work for a lot of the other odd ball songs Brubeck performed.
How to express this?
Being from Toronto, I have always felt a connection to Patrick Chan and I am really proud of this kid. He is only 21 and it has to be tough for anybody, let alone someone his age, to hold up under all the pressure and all the crap, through which no fault of his own, gets constantly thrown at him. Despite this, he has always been amazing both on and off the ice. I can't imagine how horrible it must have felt to him to have been booed at Nice. Here is someone who gives everything he has and is booed. (Only 21, remember?) As well, I don't think that the Toronto newspapers or the Canadian media really support him. With all due respect to our papers, it barely got mentioned here that he won the worlds. So after the booing, nothing back home.
Two years ago, when he left Don Laws, I was shocked. When I saw his performance in China, I was relieved. However, this year, there came that terrible article just before he competed in Montreal. Then, this year, when I flipped on the tv to watch the worlds, it seemed apparent that there was something off with his concentration. There were fantastic moments in his performance that reminded me of how good he is, but there was this "cloud" over him. It was like he was watching himself. And then when it was over: The booing.
I have no doubt that Patrick will not have a coach problem, wherever he goes. More than the coach issue, he needs more of Toronto, AND CANADA, to give him a hug, a lot of thanks and a Hell of lot more support. And all those people who are in the business who basically attack these skaters of being unworthy, and everyone in a crowd who boos a skater, I hope that they remember that most of these skaters, even the ones in their twenties, are really just kids and no person, let alone a kid, should be treated that way.
So why I am saying this here under this thread? Because I don't think that Patrick Chan's departure with Krall is problematic for him. I believe them both when they say that the parting is amicable. I do think that part of the reason why Patrick needs to come back to Toronto is so that he is closer to home, and it may be that the parting with Krall is a symptom of that need. I also think Toronto and Canada owes Patrick Chan a hug and more support, and, even secondary to his performance in the future, I just hope he feels some warmth. That will be more determinative of how well he does but more importantly how he feels about himself.
IF YOU CAN HEAR THIS PATRICK: WE LOVE YOU.
I was wondering about the same. Now looking back, I think it's Patrick's decision to decline interviews because of the coach changing issue.
Last edited by Boeing787; 04-18-2012 at 06:21 PM.
I really feel for Patrick, too.
The way the audience reacted to the final result by booing all the way thru the medal ceremony, I did not like it at all (though I still believe that booing was directed more to the judges and the system, than a specific skaters).
And your post, mentioning Patrick not getting enough support from local media and/or people, reminds me the old Miki from 2005-06 season. Miki was only 18 y.o. at that times. Same thing happened to Shizuka 1997-98 season when Japan hosted the Olympic Games, and to Racheal last season, Alyssa this season... I understand people were just disappointed with the results of their favorite skaters, but these kids were only in their teens to mid twenties. It was so heartbreaking to see media and people (seemed to) get in the bandwagon and bash them.
Sad to say, but it happens with this sport sometimes. It happened before, it is likely to happen again in future.
That breaks my heart.
I hope Patrick will get enough support from his family and his team during this difficult time.
And if we talk about today, phaeljones, you can count on me: I will cheer for Patrick this afternoon on behalf of you and his other fans in Canada!
(My hubby's jaw shall be dropping if he sees me cheer for Patrick)
Last edited by deedee1; 04-18-2012 at 08:46 PM.
I haven't read this whole thread, but to say Patrick "Falling a bit " Chan does not need a coach is crazy. Because MK did it after 4 world championships and right before the Olympics was foolish, and she was a more consistent jumper than anyone in the world for females (or would Irina have tied her by 2002?). MK thought she could go it alone and she did not skate her LP very well at all and she was more accomplishd and mature than Pat at 21. Perhaps later in this thread more info as to 'why' comes out but Chan's ubers do him a huge disservice. Hee is not superman. It does seem strange to demote a coach who helped you win two championships. Must be a family unity thing. If Toronto is the city, then Orser is the guy. Kristy is so nice and motherly, I think he needs a butt kick to concentrate, as without clean programs, he has several who could beat him at Sochi. I'd hate to see 'sloppy' Chan win on PCS while falling. We deserve a great, clean Oly Champion. He has enough artistry for the judges. He needs jump consistentcy. Whatever jump coach is known for improving reliability is what Chan needs.
One only need watch "Elegy" to see how elegant he is when he is not skating a maxed out the point CoP program. Whoever can help him get that consistency is who he needs.? Ideas? He takes all season to get consistent. This change might help, but easily could knock him back a peg given the adjustment. I'm surprised, but he has a goal, and apparently Kristy wasn't thought so important as others on his team. The Chan's too nice to fire? How about 'demote?'
Last edited by skateluvr; 04-18-2012 at 10:46 PM.
Sorry about that. I clicked on the wrong button.
I wish someone would try Blue Rondo a la Turk in 9/8 time. (Might be too fast, though.In all seriousness, Patrick's Take-Five isn't one my favorite performances of that song but Lori's design of the program is something to behold. Everything from the varied locations of the technical elements to the high-speed straightline step sequence down the length of the rink is great. You could take the skeleton of that program and make it work for a lot of the other odd ball songs Brubeck performed.
Well...to be fair to newspapers/Canadian media, I don't think the lack of media coverage is necessarily indicative of their lack of support for Patrick, but more like the lack of interest for figure skating at this time in Canada in general. In the newspaper I read, Patrick's win in Nice received more or less the same attention as Virtue/Moir's win....that is, half a page of coverage on page 3 of the sports section (pages 1, 2 and the other half of 3 dedicated to hockey, hockey and more hockey as usual). Moreover, Worlds occurs around the end of the NHL's regular season, precisely the time when Canadian sports newspapers/media are very much fond of printing endless NHL playoff speculation-type articles. Newspapers and the media generally focus on what they think people want to read, and as such, in Canada, this means that figure skating takes a backseat to hockey, especially when the NHL playoffs are rearing its head.
People can be cruel, intentionally or unintentionally, especially in the cyber world where we don't show our faces to say whatever we say. On skating boards, there are fans and there are antifans because some people can't be a fan without being an antifan on their idol's behalf. Sometimes people are being smart and discussing with other purposes in mind other than those for the skaters and unfortunately some of them sometimes also forget these skaters are human beings, hard working dedicated talented young people with feelings.
Many skaters are dismissed or ridiculed for their failures, often temporary as they are inevitable along the way, and sometimes in spite of their long hard struggles and fights. Patrick Chan, one of the very favorite targets relentlessly criticized and slandered with false accusations and malicious myths, is extremely successful. Yet it's exactly his success that gets so much derision and dismissal and attracted so many detractors. While other fans declare undying love, adoration for every part of their idol's body and mind, and orgasmic reactions to their skating and mere presence, Chan supporters are often called names and their fandom regarded as marginal, guilty, and necessarily defensive.
Welcome, phaeljones from this other unabashed Chan fan and thank you for championing the public support for Patrick and the "WE LOVE YOU".
And thank you deedee for helping to bridge a language barrier by translating and bringing much information about the much loved Japanese skaters here, and for being always classy. You are a true skating fan, not just a skater fan. Welcome again.
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