No Koleto will be 21 in June. He trains at Broadmoor SC under Tom Zakrajsek and Becky Calvin.
Yeah, I'm more excited and curious as opposed to anxious.
Originally Posted by Olympia
Completely agree. I'm intrigued by all of this.
Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue
Koleto is actually almost 21, he's 6 months younger than Patrick, and he's coached by Tom Z (no wonder he's bitter!). Also, he skated right after Chen and finished about 45 points behind him. He and Tom Z were chuckling when Nathan got off the ice, as if it was some kind of joke that the kid is so good, it was condescending for sure, it ticked me off so bad, but then Koleto had a meltdown and got creamed by 12 year old Chen whose shorter than his leg. I don't get why he's so catty, honestly, he's in no place to be.
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
probably about $$$$ or Chan just wanted to be close to home
Last edited by sky_fly20; 04-16-2012 at 10:49 PM.
Idk, I personally think Chan seems like a nice kid, but from some of his comments, and from what I've heard about his mother, it wouldn't surprise me if he was a difficult student to coach...
Video featuring Krall's explanation. Not something new.
So far my original idea of how this split came about seems to fit. Patrick is on his own path with his own goals. However he has been judged this season, formally or informally, he is pleased with his progress on the artistic front. He will only stay skating if he finds the challenges and the motivation, or, as Krall has said, he would leave skating on a dime. So far he has progressed from focusing on and honing basic skills, to jumps, and to artistry, seeking out mentors for each phase of his pursuit. He has also grown from a keenly learning kid to a young man taking charge of his own destiny. Coaches have different styles and methods which a fast growing student may simply outgrow. Patrick needs a system that lets him grow without containing his talents. I hope he finds the perfect system and environment for his current pursuit of excellence. I am happy to go along on this ride watching his journey.
I think origianlly the Chan Family just wanted to cut Krall's pay when they were going to renew next year's contract since Patrick has mastered all the jumps needed and will have fewer training sessions with her. There was no intention for him to leave CS and train somewhere else. After all it has worked out perfectly for him there. They even bought a condo in CS. However, Krall decided to resign which makes training in CS kinda awkward. That's why they decided to move Patrick back to Toronto where the living cost will be low and training condition is relatively good. I am pretty sure this has been going on since the begining of this year, it can't be a last minute decision.
Originally Posted by sky_fly20
Last edited by Boeing787; 04-16-2012 at 11:29 PM.
^^^ This is your speculation, right? Or do you have some new info about the situation?
I get a very different feel for the situation. I saw a warm and affectionate relationships between Patrick and his coaches, as late as 4CC time when the short documentary video was firmed. I think Patrick was respectful and they adored him. However, Johnson at the K&C surprised me a little since she was not strictly a skating coach but Patrick was acknowledging her significance in his training and learning. It could be the transition then which carried over to Worlds. Patrick interviewed he had a terrible time leading up to Worlds, when he had felt almost like quitting but was glad he got over whatever it was and competed well enough. (That waxel was likely caused by his losing his focus because of the relief at being almost finished with the program and the long hard journey.) The official resignation came right after Worlds but obviously it had been discussed and the decision had been made.
I doubt it was a money issue since Patrick and his family have not skimmed on whatever he needs to achieve his goals and this year the Chinese community has raised more and promised more for his training. Patrick has also been earning quite a bit more this last year.
I also don't think it has to be a terribly awkward situation for him to train at CS. They seem to have parted with good personal feelings for each other even though it evidently caused Patrick a lot of sadness. But it sounded like he was already losing some fire and passion which Krall was quite concerned about. I think she was professional to realize she was not very successful in helping him mentally then and also she was not going to compromise her method and philosophy which was no more the best fit for Patrick. They both agree Patrick needs a change of environment to keep his training fresh. All in all, I feel Krall still has Patrick's interests at heart and he has respect and gratitude for her. There is a friendship that will last I think.
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 04-17-2012 at 12:03 AM.
Yagudin left Mishin who taught him basic technics and all the jumps, and went to Tarasova. He didn't lose his jumps. Instead, he gained artistry, and became one of the best all around skater. The future is bright for Patrick. Think positively. I think there is a great chance that Jeffrey Buttle would choreograph at least one program for him. The big question now is who will be his next coach? I don't think Patrick would go to Brian Orser. Even if Orser wanted to have Patrick, Spain wouldn't allow it to happen to their only top skater Fernandez.
I don't think it's about money. I think Krall was de-emphasized because Patrick is seeking the new challenges. Patrick needs constant challenge, or else, he'd feel bored very soon. This time the challenge is artistical expression. But Kathy Johnson cannot be his only coach. Otherwise, it'll be disastrous. He has to have a primary skating coach.
Originally Posted by Boeing787
Last edited by Bluebonnet; 04-17-2012 at 12:12 AM.
It is my speculation but I sensed something was going on when I watched 4cc in CS.
sigh! How can you guys/gals be so naive! It's all about business! Yes, Patrick has made more in the past two years, but not enough to cover his cost. Yes, the Chinese community raised funds for him, but it is the kind of money one feels uncomfortable to take. His parents were in debt before to support his training, I am not sure if they have paid it off now. What make you think they have the money to burn? Especially when it is not necessary?
Last edited by Boeing787; 04-17-2012 at 12:19 AM.
^^^ My first clue was when Patrick hugged Johnson first after the scores went up and then turned to Krall.
I read a Chinese fan's account of her experiences at 4CC and Patrick seemed fine then. She was a Takahashi fan but noticed a big difference at practice where Patrick looked very much the winner. She was distracted and had to chase after Daisuke to give him her gift but was stopped by the security. She pleaded desperately to no avail when Patrick came by and volunteered to take the gift to Dai. He caught up with Dai and pointed back at her. The fan was so grateful and impressed that she consider becoming Patrick fan! She then waited for White Valentine's Day to tell of seeing Patrick's girlfriend.
I saw Patrick's mom sit with Kathy Johnson during the gala. He was evidently closer to Kathy than to Christy based on my observation. I think back then he had known the professional relationship with Krall would end after the season.
I didn`t know Chan was having such a rough time but I am afraid for him; if he loses Lori Nchol his programs which propelled him to the top will sag. Brian Orser or Doug Leigh who might be a bit long in the tooth now would be good choices. Brian can coach two top notch skaters and I have to say Brian owes his country (not because he blew Oly gold) but it wold be nice for him to put something back in not ironically coach skaters who cost Canadian medals YuNa and now Fernandez. I am afraid this could be the end of Patrick. What got him there was hardwork improved jump technique and great programs and to lose «Lori and Christy that would be a travesty. Sadly had Oly`s been in 2011 or 12 he might have gold; I fear he has burned out and we won`t see him on the podium in Sochi. Wow from world champ to...in two weeks. this is discouraging. I guess one can hope but I don`t find much good about this other than for Dai, Hanyu, Fernandez, Joubert, Kozuka, Abbott and all.