I also thought coaches don't show up in WTT. At least I didn't see them on TV at last WTT. Maybe Yuka just wants to use this opportunity to visit her homeland?
I also thought coaches don't show up in WTT. At least I didn't see them on TV at last WTT. Maybe Yuka just wants to use this opportunity to visit her homeland?
I thought there was one coach for the team (I could be wrong, but)--so maybe Yuka is the coach for the US Team?Originally Posted by Boeing787
That is a really cute picture of her that Adam tweeted!
I guess coaches wouldn't be barred but there is no K&C but "condos" for cheerleading team members. Skaters save the expenses of having their coaches with them but have comradery for support.
eta. I don't know if there are team coaches but there are team captains/leaders.
I just don't think it's wise to make multiple changes at one time.
Whatever criticisms and insults some people throw at Lori Nichols, she is a proven champion maker whom top skaters flock to. Why mess with a winning formula? Unless she and Krall are a package deal. Johnson did take over Nichols' role as the artistic coach.
I would like Patrick to experiment with his ex programs and his SP, but LP choreography is too important to leave to someone less familiar with his skills and not the top COP expert that Nichols is, especially at this time of coaching change.
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Here is what the official announcement says about coaches.
All additional team members (one Team Leader per team, one Coach per Skater, maximum 2 Team Medical Staff and maximum 2 Team Officials) must be entered by using the respective Entry Form Composition of Delegation.
Thanks. So it explains why Krall's resignation was announced before WTT. Evidently her contract with Patrick ended right after worlds. So Kathy accompanied Patrick to Japan?
Still can't resist the fireworks temptation I guess. I suspect as much that when this announcement goes public, that some people just won't be able to contain their joy in seeing Patrick Chan going through a tough time emotionally. I can think of at least 10 reasons why another skater may be unable to continue skating but it just wouldn't be nice to make such speculation. Though you never know, the nature is unpredictable and uncontrollable.
You make it sound as though major rule overhaul specifically targeting Patrick Chan is a done deal. Really, "inevitable rule changes that will be targeted at Patrick Chan"? How did you come up with that? And how do you target him? For falling on a Double Axel? Notwithstanding that error was already severely punished, more so than a usual fall because it received a zero base value + deductions, most falls don't receive zero base value as in the case of say a fall on a 4T, the total value of the element could still worth as much as a Triple Lutz.
If the ISU chose to modify penalty for falling, I think it would be totally fair. I happen to agree with many people who feel that falls aren't punished severely enough, whether on an element or otherwise. In fact, if it was up to me, I think the mandatory deduction on falling should be consistent with the number of seconds that was lost due to falling. Quick up and down fall like Patrick had should cost him -4 while Hanyu's fall should cost him -7 for taking longer to recuperate. Or someone who fell 3 times like Takahashi at Japanese Nationals should be thrown off the podium no matter what and missed the World team as a result.
The bottom line is I find somewhat hysterical that you choose to characterize such rule change, if it were to happen, as being targeted towards Patrick Chan. I feel that's quite disrespectful. Whether you feel the result was controversial or not is your perception, not a statement of fact. Purposely repeating it here and elsewhere over and over as though it's true is simply quite unethical thing to do. Plus, everyone falls and Chan doesn't fall more often than other elite male skaters, all of whom have fell several times this season, if you add all the instances across their competitions this past season. But somehow falling is attributed to him alone as though he is the only one is just plain unfair. Finally, if such rule change were to take place, I am sure Patrick Chan and other fair minded skaters will welcome it. But one thing for sure, for certain fans, they better watch out what they wish for.
I think this is worth debating. Is Nichols really more of a top COP expert than David Wilson? Than Ingo Steuer? Than Tom Dickson?
How can one compare? I think Nichol (I believe there's no s at the end of her name) is among the top CoP choreographers in the world. We could parse her results and those of Wilson and others endlessly, but the fact is that you might find someone as good as Lori, but you won't find anyone better. To try to rank her in relation with other skaters is not a road I want to travel.
Certainly Evan Lysacek and Shen/Zhao have reason to be grateful to her, as does Michelle Kwan. I'm sure that if Chan considers leaving her, he'll give it a lot of thought before acting on it.
Though of course if the thought of debating this brings light into your eyes, go for it!
Last edited by Olympia; 04-17-2012 at 08:04 PM.
I have repeatedly pointed out the folly of such targeted rule changes which would most likely hurt some very beloved skaters of the proponents, if only ISU would be as foolhardily prejudicial and irrational. As a Chan fan, I always say, bring it on. Others will pay.
When proposals popped up all over the Alissa thread on how she should and could be prevented to compete at Worlds again with targeted tweaking of the US Nationals judging, I recognized the preposterousness could be equal opportunity.
Well, it depends what the modifications are. Depending how a change is worded, it might be appropriate for senior men but disastrous for novice ladies, or vice versa. Or, more likely, produce results that the majority of viewers prefer on some occasions and other times result in what appear to be even greater travesties.
Yes, something along those lines has been tried in ice dance (ca. 1998-2004 anyway).I happen to agree with many people who feel that falls aren't punished severely enough, whether on an element or otherwise. In fact, if it was up to me, I think the mandatory deduction on falling should be consistent with the number of seconds that was lost due to falling.
How do you write that rule? Word it carefully. Just saying that anyone who falls X number of times is forbidden to medal, regardless of what happens in the rest of the program or the rest of the field is bound to backfire sometimes.Or someone who fell 3 times like Takahashi at Japanese Nationals should be thrown off the podium no matter what
Suppose a small competition that turns into a splatfest, everybody falls at least X times -- is the best of the bad lot awarded 4th place with the podium positions left empty?
If top-level skater enters a lower-level event as a warmup or practice run with a new program, or s/he needs to qualify for some reason, etc., what happens if s/he falls X times but still manages to complete significantly more technical content than anyone else in the event and also starts out with much higher program components?
Do pairs get a higher value for X?
I can see something like making the cost of a second fall greater than the first, of a third greater than the second, etc. I can also see factoring the fall deduction so that whole disciplines or individual skaters who start with higher base values higher PCS will lose more total points per fall than those who start with lower scores (instead of, as it is now, skaters with lower start values end up losing a larger percentage of that value per fall).
My thought is this: figure skating is a language. Skaters are actors/performers. Choreographers are writers/directors.
If James Stewart stuck with Frank Capra only, we wouldn't have had Vertigo, Rear Window, The Philadelphia Story, The Naked Spur, The Shop Around the Corner etc. I will also point out, though, that Nichol's not merely Chan's choreographer, but was (if not is) one of Chan's listed coaches.
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