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    It's as serious as an event? Judges are being more generous? Kostner was better here than at worlds but overall judges were just giving higher scores here than the judges at worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    I saw Gold live first time. I understand why she get some wows from American fans. Her jumps are higher than US ladies' jumps. But they are not high for the rest of the world. They are usual. But her skating skills are not good at all. Too many strokes, as if she is at practice skating her stuff and the music is playing as some background. There is no program. She does need someone who can help her to develope her PCS, because it doesn't look like her current coach can give her anything else except his russophobic rants a la benderovets. Adelina looks much more mature and feminine compared to Gracie. I like Kanako's high long jumps and speed, but her skating has juniorish flavour. In general the result in ladies is fair I think.
    I disagree. Gracie has perhaps the most difficult 3-3 in the world already and her jumps are much higher and more powerful then someone like Suzuki and she doesn't have thew wonky entrance to her jumps that someone like Kanako has.

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    Although Gracie is not Lucinda Ruh, she did hit level 4 on all her spins here. And level 3 on her step sequence.

    She wasn't doing that in Juniors, so she's made great improvements already.

    Yes, she needs polish, but the basics are all there already. And she's still quite young; she has some time to polish.

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    One thing is for sure with her great jump technique and big jumps it makes her competitive already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    I saw Gold live first time. I understand why she get some wows from American fans. Her jumps are higher than US ladies' jumps. But they are not high for the rest of the world. They are usual. But her skating skills are not good at all. Too many strokes, as if she is at practice skating her stuff and the music is playing as some background. There is no program. She does need someone who can help her to develope her PCS, because it doesn't look like her current coach can give her anything else except his russophobic rants a la benderovets. Adelina looks much more mature and feminine compared to Gracie. I like Kanako's high long jumps and speed, but her skating has juniorish flavour. In general the result in ladies is fair I think.
    Although I've said in the past that Gracie's jumps aren't as big as people made it out to be, they are quite competitive with the rest of the world. Only few girls who have better jumps. Unless the rest of the world means Miki, Yuna, Mao, Caro, she's high up there.
    Adelina doesn't have 3flutz-3loop anymore. Didn't get that combo ratified once this season. Switched to 3T-3T and it wasn't clean either. I thought she was great when she was a junior. Don't think she will be a factor in the future.
    Kanako's posture is not good, even Zueva couldn't disguise it with her choreography.

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    actually kostner was a bit better at worlds, she skated nicehere--but good here though. she did get a higher score than at worlds due to triple triple

    greatjob all goodluck tomorrow all

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    These judges also called Sotnikova's flip as wrong. It will be funny if in the LP both her flip and lutz get edge calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan
    Adelina doesn't have 3flutz-3loop anymore. Didn't get that combo ratified once this season. Switched to 3T-3T and it wasn't clean either. I thought she was great when she was a junior. Don't think she will be a factor in the future.
    How about Junior worlds?
    And at the GP, she had trouble with the Lutz - I can remember just one instance, where the 3Lo was underrotated - at nationals.

    And she landed the 3T-3T more than once this season - definitly at JW, I think youth olys too.

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    Gracie has perhaps the most difficult 3-3 in the world already
    Most difficult would be the 3Lz-3Lo, which only Sotnikove even attempts. Next would be 3F-3Lo (which I wouldn't know Gracie could do) and 3Lz-3T - so what 3-3 do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Although I've said in the past that Gracie's jumps aren't as big as people made it out to be, they are quite competitive with the rest of the world. Only few girls who have better jumps. Unless the rest of the world means Miki, Yuna, Mao, Caro, she's high up there.
    Adelina doesn't have 3flutz-3loop anymore. Didn't get that combo ratified once this season. Switched to 3T-3T and it wasn't clean either. I thought she was great when she was a junior. Don't think she will be a factor in the future.
    Kanako's posture is not good, even Zueva couldn't disguise it with her choreography.
    Gracie has nice coverage in her jumps but they're a bit...unattractive to me. She has kinda loose air position on some bigger jumps which does make sense b/c she gets good speed and height which gives her enough time to rotate without pulling the rotation so tight; if she did, she'd end up over-rotating. Tight air position makes it a prettier jump; that's why Carolina's jumps are so pretty. Gracie's landings are kinda weird too. The way she checks her arms on her landings, she goes up at the shoulder instead of out, plus she doesn't control her free leg...it just kinda swings out there. It just looks a bit sloppy to me. Of course this is all nitpicking and preference; I like big, pretty, controlled jumps. But the fact that she lands them well with and speed is all that really matters. ITA about the airplane arms. They are bad but (thankfully) not as bad as Kimmie's. With some work, she'll be able to use her arms more effectively and it won't look like flailing. She's just lacking overall in the aesthetics department for me, but with some work and much better choreography she can turn that opinion around with time.


    Saying that Adelina won't be a factor based on one rough season is a little foot-in-mouth IMO. Especially given her results. Despite her less than stellar performances, she hasn't missed a podium all season (2 GP events, Russian nationals, Youth Olympic Games, jr. worlds)...I wouldn't call that a non-factor. Besides, she's only 15 and is still adjusting to her last growth spurt. Her natural jumping ability in combination with her maturity and presence on the ice make her a factor. Flutz aside, her confidence slump is her only weakness right now and that's impressive for someone so young.

    I'd give her at least another year (and some much worse results) before I'd deem her a non-factor moving forward...
    Last edited by kwanatic; 04-19-2012 at 01:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    How about Junior worlds?
    And at the GP, she had trouble with the Lutz - I can remember just one instance, where the 3Lo was underrotated - at nationals.
    Oops. Forgot about JW. Anyway, that combo is as unreliable as PCS-judging. She should find another combo that she can hit at least 80% of the times. And a flutz combo, even when fully rotated, will always get -GOE. What is her team thinking? She needs a strategist/coach like Morozov.

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    Yes a strategist coach who can suck all the life from her skating and turn her into a Ando clone.

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    Twice world champion is not a bad resume ... just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Twice world champion is not a bad resume ... just saying.
    I was just about to say the same thing.

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    And one of the most forgettable champions in recent memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    It's as serious as an event? Judges are being more generous? Kostner was better here than at worlds but overall judges were just giving higher scores here than the judges at worlds.
    You can't make a trend off an event that's only just had its second run but we've had some very interesting scores back at the 2009. Some skaters got GOE highs on certain elements that they never archived through out the season. Mao got a level 4 on her step sequence back when short programs had eight required elements. Back then, it was a pretty big deal if a Men's skater pulled a level 4 on one step sequences in the short program due to the time constraints.

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