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    I'm so sorry I'm missing this, but it sounds thrilling. Go, ladies!

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    Olympia if you go here, the on-demand videos are now up! http://livemanager.eurovision.edgesu...ite/index.html

    Go up to "More Channels" and pick WTT and you'll get the on-demand videos.

    Protocal breakdown:

    Base Value
    Gracie 31.40
    Akiko 30.50
    Carolina 29.60
    Kanako 29.60
    Ashley 29.40
    Yretha 29.30
    Mae Berenice 29.00
    Adelina 27.90
    Valentina 27.60
    Amelie 25.40
    Cynthia 24.50
    Alena 22.80

    +GOE
    Carolina 6.74
    Akiko 5.98
    Kanako 4.92
    Yretha 2.10
    Gracie 1.96
    Ashley 1.06
    Adelina .85
    Valentina .55
    Alena -.08
    Amelie -1.58
    Mae Bernice -1.41
    Cynthia -1.96

    Jumps
    Carolina 20.16
    Akiko 20.16
    Kanako 18.87
    Gracie 18.73
    Yretha 17.41
    Ashley 15.80
    Mae Bernice 15.69
    Adelina 13.03
    Amelie 10.16
    Alena 9.73
    Cynthia 8.76

    Jump Combo
    Gracie 3F-3T 10.30
    Carolina 3T-3T 9.80
    Kanako 3T-3T 9.50
    Akiko 3T-3T 9.20
    Ashley 3F-3T 9.10
    Yretha 3T-3T 8.50
    Mae Bernice 3T-3T 8.20
    Adelina 3T-3T< 6.60
    Alena 3T-3T< 5.80
    Valentina 3S-2T 5.7
    Amelie 3Lo-3Lo<< 5.40
    Cynthia 3T-3T 5.10

    Single Jump
    Akiko 3LZ 6.80
    Carolina 3L 6.20
    Ashley 3L 5.90
    Kanako 3F 5.50
    Yretha 3L 5.40
    Gracie 3LZ 4.70
    Valentina 3LZ 4.50
    Mae Bernice 3Z 3.9
    Adelina 3F 3.20
    Cynthia 3L< 1.50
    Amelie 3S< 1.10
    Alena 1F .20

    2A
    Carolina 4.16
    Akiko 4.16
    Kanako 3.87
    Gracie 3.73
    Valetina 3.73
    Alena 3.73
    Amelie 3.66
    Mae Bernice 3.59
    Yretha 3.51
    Adelina 3.23
    Cynthia 2.16
    Ashley .80

    Non jump elements
    Akiko 16.32 (Level 4 on 3/4; Level 3 on layback)
    Carolina 16.18 (Level 4 on 3/4; Level 3 on layback)
    Kanako 15.65 (Level 4 on 3/4; Level 3 on layback)
    Adelina 15.72 (Level 4 on 2/4; Level 3 on step sequence and combo spin; high +GOE)
    Ashley 14.66 (Level 4 on 3/4; Level 3 on combo spin)
    Valentina 14.22 (Level 4 on 3/4; Level 3 on layback)
    Gracie 14.63 (Level 4 on 3/4; Level 3 on step sequence)
    Yretha 13.99 (Level 4 on 3/4; Level 3 on step sequence)
    Cynthia 13.78 (Level 4 on 2/4; level 3 on step sequence and layback)
    Amelie 13.50 (Level 4 on 2/4; Level 3 on step sequence and layback)
    Alena 12.99 (Level 4 on 2/4; level 3 on step sequence and combo spin)
    Mae Bernice 11.90 (Level 4 on 1/4 (Combo spin); level 3 on step sequence and flying camel spin, level 2 on layback)

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    Thanks! And very interesting breakdowns. Look at Gracie, at the top for jump combinations and base value!

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    Aww, sad to hear about Ashley messing up in the SP. Maybe she's a bit burnt out? She's been pretty busy since nationals.

    Sad about Adelina too. I still believe this girl is a special talent; she's just in a rough patch. Hopefully she'll have a better LP.

    Great for Carolina, Akiko and Kanako. I haven't seen the performances yet but from the comments and the scores it looks as though all three rocked it!

    Good job for Gracie too. Not perfect but the judges see what kind of firepower she has. Of course her PCS aren't going to be great (nor should they be given the way she skates right now) but this is a good start for her and hopefully she'll have a strong performance. I don't really care to see her medal here (I want the podium to be some combo of Carolina, Akiko, Ashley or Kanako) but a top 5 finish here is all she needs to set her up for next season.

    If Alena's sick, that's too bad for her. It's tough to give a solid performance when you don't feel well...though I'd be lying if I said I'm sad she's down in 9th place. I can't stand her skating...

    The Canadian ladies...meh.

    I do wonder if the French ladies will ever get their due in this sport? Probably not...

    Can't wait to see how this one shakes out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Thanks! And very interesting breakdowns. Look at Gracie, at the top for jump combinations and base value!
    I'm curious how she'll do in the Free Skate. She had to modify her program to meet the senior requirements. She has done a fine job so far.

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    Russia should just have really withdrew from this competition when they had to send the men they did. No one wants to be there or skate to their even minimum ability and it has produced these awful showings of Leonova and Sotnikova.

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    I saw Gold live first time. I understand why she get some wows from American fans. Her jumps are higher than US ladies' jumps. But they are not high for the rest of the world. They are usual. But her skating skills are not good at all. Too many strokes, as if she is at practice skating her stuff and the music is playing as some background. There is no program. She does need someone who can help her to develope her PCS, because it doesn't look like her current coach can give her anything else except his russophobic rants a la benderovets. Adelina looks much more mature and feminine compared to Gracie. I like Kanako's high long jumps and speed, but her skating has juniorish flavour. In general the result in ladies is fair I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    I saw Gold live first time. I understand why she get some wows from American fans. Her jumps are higher than US ladies' jumps. But they are not high for the rest of the world. They are usual. But her skating skills are not good at all. Too many strokes, as if she is at practice skating her stuff and the music is playing as some background. There is no program. She does need someone who can help her to develope her PCS, because it doesn't look like her current coach can give her anything else except his russophobic rants a la benderovets. Adelina looks much more mature and feminine compared to Gracie. I like Kanako's high long jumps and speed, but her skating has juniorish flavour. In general the result in ladies is fair I think.
    I really loved Akiko's performance and I thought she had the best interpretation and performance/execution of the night. Caro's pcs and akiko's could be closer, IMHO.

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    It's worth noting that Gracie had the highest base value of the ladies tonight. This reflects that:

    1.) Her content is the most difficult
    2.) She did not UR or have edge problems
    3.) She hit her levels on her non-jump elements

    Let's give Gracie credit for that. From where I sit this shows solid technique and ability. She has been 8/8 (mskater93 can confirm) on her 3F-3T with no UR/edge call. That is amazing consistency.

    Gracie now needs to work on polish and presentation. That is not surprising from someone who is still very new to the international scene. I think she knows what feedback she is getting and I could see even in this performance a concerted effort to project herself to the audience.

    I think PCS/+GOE is next. But I think she will get there.

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    She is 10/10 with this SP for her 3F+3T, Mrs. P! Going back over the last year: Northern Blast, Skate Milwaukee, Skate Detroit, Glacier Falls, Greater Chicagoland Fall Invitational, JGP-Estonia, Midwestern Sectionals (J), Nationals (J), Junior Worlds, WTT. She's getting + GOE when she hits her jumps, she lost all her jumping +GOE from the flip out of the Lz today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    She is 10/10 with this SP for her 3F+3T, Mrs. P! Going back over the last year: Northern Blast, Skate Milwaukee, Skate Detroit, Glacier Falls, Greater Chicagoland Fall Invitational, JGP-Estonia, Midwestern Sectionals (J), Nationals (J), Junior Worlds, WTT. She's getting + GOE when she hits her jumps, she lost all her jumping +GOE from the flip out of the Lz today...
    Thanks for the info.

    That's right! So if she got "0" on the 3Z, she would have scored +2.26 GOE. That said, she probably can stand to improve +GOE on her non-jump elements. And PCS.

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    Well done. Carolina & Akiko.

    BTW... What happened their pcs??

    - Carolina : 30.74 (2012 Worlds) -> 33.14 (2012 WTT)
    - Akiko : 28.71 (2012 Worlds) -> 31.03 (2012 WTT)

    It's just unbelievable.


    ** Just for reference...
    - Kanako Murakami : 28.06 (2012 Worlds) -> 29.26 (2012 WTT)
    - Ashley Wagner : 27.62 (2012 Worlds) -> 28.06 (2012 WTT)
    - Yretha Silete : 20.82 (2012 Worlds) -> 23.43 (2012 WTT)
    - Valentina Marchei : 24.86 (2012 Worlds) -> 25.37 (2012 WTT)
    - Alena Leonova : 29.97 (2012 Worlds) -> 28.20 (2012 WTT)

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    Well, for Carolina and Akiko: they skated a lot better here than at Worlds in the SP at least. Leonova skated a lot worse (probably should have been even bigger difference in PCS!) and Ashley skated less conservative as well, earning slightly higher PCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny81 View Post
    Well done. Carolina & Akiko.

    BTW... What happened their pcs??

    - Carolina : 30.74 (2012 Worlds) -> 33.14 (2012 WTT)
    - Akiko : 28.71 (2012 Worlds) -> 31.03 (2012 WTT)

    It's just unbelievable.


    ** Just for reference...
    - Kanako Murakami : 28.06 (2012 Worlds) -> 29.26 (2012 WTT)
    - Ashley Wagner : 27.62 (2012 Worlds) -> 28.06 (2012 WTT)
    - Yretha Silete : 20.82 (2012 Worlds) -> 23.43 (2012 WTT)
    - Valentina Marchei : 24.86 (2012 Worlds) -> 25.37 (2012 WTT)
    - Alena Leonova : 29.97 (2012 Worlds) -> 28.20 (2012 WTT)

    Am I the only one who thinks this situation is so weird?

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    I don't think its weird. Some skated better than at worlds, some worse and the scores should reflect that which they do.

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