for his sp I would LOVE to see him skate to BOLERO
Watch this bolero sp from plushenko, I think patrick could do even better ( hard but possible) . But this plushenko performance of Bolero is surely is the greatest BOLERO performance of all time WOW!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwFjO...eature=mh_lolz
A little bit off topic here, but after watching that video of Plushenko, I was looked for other videos and found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVK8Cq2LLL4
Apparently he was a replacement at the 1998 Worlds, where he medaled (bronze) at his debut. His SP was to Concerto de Aranjuez, and the commentators provided a bit of insight into Plushenko's life at the time. Wow, Mishin did a lot for Plushenko - he paid for his airline ticket to Worlds as a back-up when the Russian Federation did not. And Plushenko wanted to win competitions 'cause his family was very poor at the time, and Mishin had to pay their rent.
Anyways, sorry back to the topic. I'll like to see Patrick skate to Tango de Roxanne!
Bolero? The greatest surely belong to Torvill and Dean? Although I must admit Plushenko is simply incredible.
Patrick need to stay away from pretty soft classical music if he really want to improve his artistry. Go for something more original, something he can call his own and stay away from someone else tried and tested music (aka cliched classical 101 greatest hits!). IMO, he has yet to produce a truly stunning signature program that people will pay to go and see, despite they are well scored performances. This is something he'd need as a 2 times world champion who's now probably after popularity (for sponsorships) more than prestige now. He is an astute student of figure skating, graduated top of the class, but he need to consider what skating means to him personally, even take a few risks here and there, experimenting and to have fun.
Something with a bit more originality, creativity, fully realized conceptual themes that goes beyond the surface of costumes. Something with greater variance in the emotional tones and risk of highs and lows, that can generate wild fan fare, raucousness that makes far great impression beyond the technical.
'Less is More' can be the highest form of artistic realization (love the Elegie in E Flat Minor by Buttle) , but there must be 'more' to begin with and in my opinion we haven't seen enough of the 'more' from Patrick Chan yet.
I think "Bolero" would be an excellent SP choice for Chan! It does not matter that Torvill & Dean own it, because they are ice dancers. I like Plushenko´s Bolero a lot, but it is very much from different era and in my opinion Chan could express most of Plushenko´s hand gestures with his feet.
Chan´s LP could be "Caravan". The way he floates on the ice would really fit this music. He could use this version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5loTx0_KDE
and find additional material here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dJQyCYa8vY
I don´t share the enthusiasm for something new, because EVERY choreography to any music is new. What matters is the fact who is skating to the music....
Last edited by Jaana; 04-22-2012 at 06:53 AM.
Well said. I totally agree with you. It's time for Patrick to take a risk and try an unknown music!Originally Posted by os168
Bolero and Tango are used enough in FS. Plushenko, Lysacek etc. Patrick aslo already skated to this Tango. He needs smth new, I agree with Aprilsowy - it's time to try and take a risk.
Speaking of taking risk, Chan may consider the following:
1. Go to Nikolai Morozov and get a hip-hop program like Daisuke's famous Swan Lake. What I'm getting at is the rhythm and energy as shown in the step sequence of Yagudin's Winter and Daisuke's Swan Lake, something Chan hasn't demonstrated in a competitive program.
2. Go to David Wilson and get a soulful program like Jeffrey Buttle's Nagoygatsi. What I'm getting at is the prolonged glide and emotional expression as shown in the transition of Daisuke's "In the Garden of Souls" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...y9ZyscQ#t=117s) and Jeffrey's Nagoygatsi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...70n84Tw#t=124s). The difficulty of those "simple" moves is: (1) One cannot cheat at the timing. A perfect synchronization with the music is required. (2) All attention is on how well one can use his whole body (face, arms, torso, everything) to express the music/mood. (3) Any tiny wobble of the feet is plainly detectable. No hiding behind quick feet, almost like naked in front of spotlight.
Last edited by skatinginbc; 04-22-2012 at 08:37 AM.
does anyone know if he is going to use this season's lp again next year? I don't know if it would be a right choice. I am totally in love with this program and he hadn't performed it at his best in an international stage but it seems like he got bored of his short by presenting it for the second year
I have to admit that I'm not a fan of "Bolero" as a piece of music. I love Torvill and Dean's version, of course, but the music itself has never moved me. (Even when Michelle skated to it). And now it's been done, and done, and done.
"Roxanne"--I'd mind it less if someone didn't use the lyrics. Even taking away the crude aspect of it, it has an emotional rawness that doesn't work with someone as young and sheltered as most singles skaters. There are other tangos out there, folks.
There's so much other Russian music than just Swan Lake and Scheherezade! Tchaikovsky and Rimsky-Korsakov were the two most dominant and prolific Russian composers of the nineteenth century. There are sections of the last movement of Tchaikovsky's Fifth Symphony that have all the motion and passion anyone could want. Rimsky-Korsakov's operas are full of rich and vibrant music. As an example, here's the Wedding Procession from his Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh, which has far more rhythmic possibilities than "Bolero."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j35_5jIAKIo
Another great composer for full-blooded music is Sibelius. Here is the Nocturne from his King Christian II suite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4eAsOZtkIk
Both these pieces would have to be cut, but they would make for truly memorable programs, I think. And there's a lot more where that came from.
Some suggestions
Led Zeppelin's "Moby Dick"
"Vltava" from Bedřich Smetana Ma Vlast symphonic poem
Tan Dun compositions for the movie Hero
Jupiter, Bringer of Jollity by Gustav Holst
"Escape to India" from the Kundun soundtrack, by (interestingly enough) Phillip Glass
Anything that hasn't been used by 100 other top skaters.
From the lists of music provided, I can tell there are quite a few music connoisseurs here on this forum. So wonderful and magical is Goldenskate, which brings together enthusiasts of fine arts from all over the world.
Muse, Knights of Cydonia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkU5RPPezyE
Skipped to 30 seconds on. Obviously the music need to be edited/recorded over to cut out any vocals, but the sound has an haunting, edgy, epic quality all over it. Great pacing, maintaining the rhythm and tension Patrick lacks in his other program. He need to win over the audience with his technical marvel while breaking their heart playing the fool king/lord/knight, braving doom with melancholy likely leading to a tragic but glorious ending waltzed in a very dark fairy tale/fantasy. In the right hands, this would make a fantastic competition program that can also sell out shows.
A more lighter version have been recorded by others such as this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ln6VksuYhA
Last edited by os168; 04-22-2012 at 10:57 AM.
I listened to all your suggestions and like the Hero and Jupiter suggestions. As for the Kundun soundtrack - that is a very bad idea for the simple reason that is a politically sensitive choice for Chan to skate to due to the Dalai Lama connection. A large part of his fan base is in fact Chinese and it would be inappropriate for being associated in a political sensitive issue. Athletes should try to remain clear from political statements, even just the appearance of such connection, for their own good.
I agree he should be politically neutral. I just would like to see him skate to that music.
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