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[let`s talk]

We started the Chan fan thread because the pro and anti Chan forces could not share the same playground. Then we had to start the Takahashi fan thread for the same reason.

That's not sticky true, dear Mathman. The Chan fan thread was indeed started by a mod. But the Dai fan thread was started later by his fan as "a Valentine's gift for all Dai fans, an intimate place where we can express freely our love for Dai the person, the skater, and the world champion, an informative place where we share news of Dai, a safe place where we discuss his skating, his programs, and everything about him." Obviously the purposes was stated quite clear and they are not against the quidelines. Otherwise you would have closed the thread in the first place. Therefore those who are not qualified as "Valentine's gift" can start a different thread. I don't see what this fuss is all about, besides bitterness.
What you, I mean mods, indeed had to do was to close both WTT Men's SP and WTT Men's FS threads after they got derailed by Chan ubers due to known reason, and open the new threads to give a space for those who couldn't use a chance to write their reviews in the original threads closed by that moment. The note about some ubers' styles, just for the record.

[Mathman]

It's tricky. The person who starts a thread does not get to dictate what other contributors to the thread are allowed to say or not to say.

For instance, this thread is about Canada bashing. And yet...

[let`s talk]

It's tricky. The person who starts a thread does not get to dictate what other contributors to the thread are allowed to say or not to say.

For instance, this thread is about Canada bashing. And yet...

So, you are saying only Chan ubers have the previlige to have a place on GS where they "can feel safe expressing their admiration", "discuss his skating, his programs, and all things Chan", while all the others don't even dare to do that about their favourite skaters? Otherwise some Chan uber will dig up the old thread in the Office and complaint all around. Aren't they marvelous with their double standards and hypocrisy? What else to expect from fans of the idol whose wins are based on abusing the judging system and unfair play. You see- we are back on topic bashing Canada.

[Mathman]

...bashing Canada.

Bashing Canada! Now yer talkin'!

I propose a contest. Who can be the coolest in tolerating/ignoring criticism of their favorite guy, Chan fans or Takahashi fans? (I would throw in Michelle Kwan fans, too, but I know we would lose. )

[dorispulaski]

Dai fans should have the same protections in the Dai thread as Patrick fans in the Patrick thread. However, it is still against the guidelines to insult fans of Patrick when they post on the Dai thread. Or to insult fans of Dai when they post on the Patrick thread.

At this time, GS has no firm fanfest rules, only the Forum Guidelines which prohibit attacking other posters in any and all threads.

The rules about fanfest threads are then the rules of courtesy rather than forum guidelines. As a matter of courtesy, Chan fans should not come to the Dai thread for the purpose of belittling Dai. And fans of Dai should not go to the Patrick thread for the purpose of belittling Patrick. And that of course applies to fans who aren't particularly fans of either skater.

If a fan wants to have a free for all discussion of the pluses and minuses of Dai's & Patrick's skating, they should start a thread that is a normal business type of thread, where the rules are the Forum Guidelines.

And of course, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

If a post is put on the Dai thread that you feel is inappropriate for a fanfest thread, you can send a note to the moderators that you would like it to be unapproved. This was done several times by fans of YuNa in the YuNa fanfest thread, and it seemed to work out.

But please, do not attack other posters. That is against the guidelines.

And be aware that many posters feel thoroughly insulted to be called an uber. Like Mathman, they feel the word has a negative connotation.

This is true, even if they are ubers Perhaps especially if they are ubers.

For me, it is just an internet superlative, but for others, not.

[let`s talk]

Who can be the coolest in tolerating/ignoring criticism of their favorite guy, Chan fans or Takahashi fans?

That's easy to know the answer. Unlike Chan and his overscore, Dai is usually not the one who is criticized, at least not that heavily. It's his fans who are under nasty name calling because they are some morons who don't know how ISU rules work and therefore can't comprehend why a skater with multiple falls win and blah-blah-blah.

Or to insult fans of Dai when they post on the Patrick thread.

Unlike on Dai fan thread where we don't talk about other skaters and their fans, on Chan thread Dai fans get repeatedly insulted even when they don't post there. As well as Chan's rivals get constantly bashed ("slamming" as they put it), not Dai only but Jeremy too, maybe as well as others, I just don't follow that thread so closely. I actually don't mind it at all. It's better if they get their mean steam out in their restricted area than if they go to general threads where I will have to reply. Or worse, if they come to Chan's rival thread in the mask of a "fan" with the only purpose- to bring the link with Chan. Or support the yellow press rumours that don't bring any good will to the skaters' team. Or bash Chan's rivals' music choice and call him a pedophile, like they did it in Plush thread. It's just their style and idea of "fun" and "fan".

If a fan wants to have a free for all discussion of the pluses and minuses of Dai's & Patrick's skating, they should start a thread that is a normal business type of thread, where the rules are the Forum Guidelines.

I do hope they will follow this instruction. We'll see.

[janetfan]

That's easy to know the answer. Unlike Chan and his overscore, Dai is usually not the one who is criticized, at least not that heavily. It's his fans who are under nasty name calling because they are some morons who don't know how ISU rules work and therefore can't comprehend why a skater with multiple falls win and blah-blah-blah.

Unlike on Dai fan thread where we don't talk about other skaters and their fans, on Chan thread Dai fans get repeatedly insulted even when they don't post there. As well as Chan's rivals get constantly bashed ("slamming" as they put it), not Dai only but Jeremy too, maybe as well as others, I just don't follow that thread so closely. I actually don't mind it at all. It's better if they get their mean steam out in their restricted area than if they go to general threads where I will have to reply. Or worse, if they come to Chan's rival thread in the mask of a "fan" with the only purpose- to bring the link with Chan. Or support the yellow press rumours that don't bring any good will to the skaters' team. Or bash Chan's rivals' music choice and call him a pedophile, like they did it in Plush thread. It's just their style and idea of "fun" and "fan".
I do hope they will follow this instruction. We'll see.

It might be an interesting discussion - "Why is Dai the most popular Men's skater in the world while Patrick's scores get booed at worlds?

The problem is the thread would have no chance for serious discussion because of the ubers on both sides.

I see it as a problem of the IJS/CoP exactly as Dick Button predicted 10 years ago.

In the meantime we have a discussion here about a poster who has made more attacks against Evan and Dai and any skater who is given compliments that might infringe in her mind on the "greatness of Chan."

Does such a poster deserve much consideration?
I guess as much as anybody..............

But still it seems the one asking for relief here is part of the problem and not part of the solution.

[Buttercup]

I propose a contest. Who can be the coolest in tolerating/ignoring criticism of their favorite guy, Chan fans or Takahashi fans? (I would throw in Michelle Kwan fans, too, but I know we would lose. )

Oh, I think we have a winner: none of the above! Because really, just look at some of the actual things that were written about Plushenko in the 2009-10 Plushy thread (some of them by myself):

Oh for Pete's sake!! Why?? He was one of the best in his time but now, imho, it's time he moved on. I too will believe it when I actually see it.

it seems to me there's a double standard going on in this thread. If you don't like Plushy you're a hater and you don't know what you're talking about, but any other skater is fair game...

This post was made by a moderator, BTW

Wow, Evgheny seems to have lost his glow. I think his skating has taken a nose dive. There are several skaters I feel are stronger now than Plushenko. Oda, for one who just won Trophee Bompard. Verner, Lysacek, Mroz just to name a few. Oh well, we'll see. perhaps Plushy will improve.

Emphasis mine .

I'm not a fan of Plushenko's skating, and I don't like the way he's marked. Should he have won CoR? Sure, for certain. Should he have gotten the marks he did? I think not. If this is a sign of things to come, then absolutely, I am not a happy camper. Not because Plushenko came back, of course anyone who can skate can come back if they want, but for getting undeservedly high marks when some of the other skaters have to work much harder to get that sort of love from the judges. Sure, this is the judges' responsibility to mark correctly, but I don't like all this smug, I am the king stuff. I think it's not a level playing field, and I want to see skaters (of course I'd rather it were my favorites) win on merit and not on reputation, and I'm worried that won;t be the case in Vancouver - because he's not the only one getting overmarked.

Not many people noticed amidst the euphoria of his return but the shine in his skating didn't really last much longer than the first two jumping passes in the SP. The slightly iffy jumps from Perm were back in the LP and the footwork looked like he was exhausted and more than once he seemed about a centimeter from falling. Also (unlike most here) I don't think he's going to improve much from here (we'll see at Europeans). His return to this point is hugely impressive but I really doubt if he can push it very much further.

I believe Plushnko's reputation points exceeded those of other skaters. Essentially he got points for being Plushenko, and would have gotten them even for the Buttercup-patented program of skating around the rink (in all fairness, his edges would have been better ). Yes, all the top guys earn themselves a little bit extra eventually. It's just that Plushy earned more than the others. He didn't win events he shouldn't have, but he did sometimes win by more than he should have.

No one is saying that Plushenko should not have won the 2006 Olys. He gave a subpar competitive skate, and imo, he was lucky that the best of competitors were less than grand that day. But maybe not, when the protocols show his spins were the best..... yeah. the high scores were justified? ... hmm.

I can't speak for others, but for me, I think the comparison between the previous Olympic champion and Plushenko did Plushy no good. Four years earlier, we got two really great performances from Yagudin. In 2006, we got two checklist perofrmances - overmarked ones at that - from a skater who we all knew was capable of more. The point isn't that Plushenko was better than the others - of course he was, they all skated badly in the SP, the LP, or both, while he made no mistakes; the point is that he was not the best he could be.

But Plushenko's fans were reasonable, friendly, humorous - and eventually turned it into a party thread and won a lot of us over, if not to their point of view then at least to a point where we could get where they were coming from and respect that. That's the standard people on fan threads should aspire to.

p.s. while searching for these quotes, I discovered that Plushenko was also compared to Voldemort and Mystique from the X-Men, while Mathman got the Eye of Sauron.

[Mathman]

Plushenko...Mystique.

Well, you can't deny the physical similarity.

http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/8055...36Ghwy_1_2.jpg

(Jennifer Lawrence as Mistique )

[janetfan]

p.s. while searching for these quotes, I discovered that Plushenko was also compared to Voldemort and Mystique from the X-Men, while Mathman got the Eye of Sauron.

A very fair post.

I even offered to dye my hair blonde and get a mullet haircut if Plushy won the OGM.

Thankfully Evan saved me from such an indignity.

Is it surprising that I like Evan

But for sure one can set their clock, no matter the thread or topic that anything said even remotely nice about Evan will be attacked by a certain poster.

This is the same poster who complains about "being picked on."

How sad......

[seniorita]

p.s. while searching for these quotes, I discovered that Plushenko was also compared to Voldemort and Mystique from the X-Men, while Mathman got the Eye of Sauron.

I think Ant had said the Voldemort and I had loved it!