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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny 80 View Post
    Now, I'm worrying about other students under his tutelage. Javier, Ellen, Phaneuf, Gao, etc.

    I don't think it's possible to take good care of those many students. He didn't even be with Gao in US nationals. I remember when they moved to him, many fans were expecting something magical then.
    Yeah, I was thinking - since the US Championships 2013 and European Championships 2013 falls within the same timeframe, is he going to ditch Gao and go with Javier again like this year? I don't know how Gao will feel since it won't be the first time :/ And what happened to Harvard, is she going to matriculate there this fall?

    The rivalry between Javier and Yuzuru at the Cricket Club will be interesting.

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    Wow, this is surprising. I'm actually a bit worried about Yuzuru's future programme coreographies... I think Nanami Abe did great work with Yuzu's SP and LP this year and I really hope we're going to see him skating to some wonderful programmes in the future, too. I wonder why would he leave his long-time coach now that everything seems to be so fine... :/

    As phaeljones said, this will be a test for Orser especially. I'm looking forward to the next season to see what happens with Yuzuru (and all the other skaters too, of course).

    (Sorry for my bad English, it's hard to find the right words with a foreign language.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaiKatze View Post
    It really seemed like the scene was shaken up a bit. Not only new exciting skaters, but fresh wind with newer coaches, too. I also don't see the sense in moving to a coach that has dozens of other students to care for. Sometimes it feels like one half of the skaters is trained by Morozov and the other half by Orser.
    That happens from time to time, when one school is successful. In the 90's, it seemed the dance teams were all coming from Tarasova, the pairs from Moskvina, and the singles skaters from Callaghan. And they all went to one of four choreographers-- Bobrin, Bezic, Nichol, and Miller (sounds like a law firm! haha).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    Yeah, I was thinking - since the US Championships 2013 and European Championships 2013 falls within the same timeframe, is he going to ditch Gao and go with Javier again like this year? I don't know how Gao will feel since it won't be the first time :/ And what happened to Harvard, is she going to matriculate there this fall?

    The rivalry between Javier and Yuzuru at the Cricket Club will be interesting.
    I worried about her,too. Gao has been 3 years under his wings, so I thought their relationships are kind of special. And she got through a difficult season.
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    I hope there relationship goes well because I am slightly worried after how it worked out for Rippon. IMO you could see in the kiss and cry that those two were not comfortable (did not "like") with each other. From the icenetwork article, this whole back and forth thing from Sendai to Canada is sounding like Mirai's situation with Frank Carroll. If Hanyu wants Orser as his new main coach, IMO it's better for him to be in Canada like what Yuna did. I am excited to see the programs by Wilson and hopes that they will challenge him artistically. Hopefully since he's going to be traveling back and forth, Abe may still coach him a bit. I agree with phaeljones, Orser may not be the one for him. Hanyu seems to like to express his emotions in the kiss and cry and even at Worlds Orser looked emotionless there with Javier not to forget when he coached Rippon. I guess the good thing for Hanyu is he is coming to Orser with all his technique and jumps already good like Yuna. Like Yuna he is going to be working with David Wilson and he's given her great programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTnoona View Post
    I hope there relationship goes well because I am slightly worried after how it worked out for Rippon. IMO you could see in the kiss and cry that those two were not comfortable (did not "like") with each other. From the icenetwork article, this whole back and forth thing from Sendai to Canada is sounding like Mirai's situation with Frank Carroll. If Hanyu wants Orser as his new main coach, IMO it's better for him to be in Canada like what Yuna did. I am excited to see the programs by Wilson and hopes that they will challenge him artistically. Hopefully since he's going to be traveling back and forth, Abe may still coach him a bit.
    Yuzuru still has to complete high school, and I don't think online high school is a big thing in Japan (please correct me if I am wrong). He will need to go back to Sendai to go to school, so he can't stay in Toronto all year along. I don't see how this is like Mirai-Carroll training situation....for the most part, Mirai had to commute 3-4 hours each time to work with Carroll. Yuzuru will probably be staying somewhere close to the Cricket Club, and will probably only travel back to Japan once in a while. I can't imagine him making trips back to Japan every other week. It'll probably be more like Nobunari, spend a few months in Barrie, go back to Japan, and then spend a few more months in Barrie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    Yuzuru still has to complete high school, and I don't think online high school is a big thing in Japan (please correct me if I am wrong). He will need to go back to Sendai to go to school, so he can't stay in Toronto all year along. I don't see how this is like Mirai-Carroll training situation....for the most part, Mirai had to commute 3-4 hours each time to work with Carroll. Yuzuru will probably be staying somewhere close to the Cricket Club, and will probably only travel back to Japan once in a while. I can't imagine him making trips back to Japan every other week. It'll probably be more like Nobunari, spend a few months in Barrie, go back to Japan, and then spend a few more months in Barrie.
    If that is the case how is he going to keep going to school in Sendai? Unless the school has some special program where they allow their top athletes to just take their midterms and finals or w/e else they have to take in Japan to graduate and not be present at school for months, isn't it going to be difficult for him to finish school in Japan?

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    Hmm really mixed feeling about this. Not sure if it is a wise decision.

    Orser must have accumulated some major karma points in his past life to be getting 2 of the best prodigies in figure skating these past years. Yuna Kim who also made the bronze at her sr. debut season coming off as the Junior Champion, and Hanyu who just did and is. Part of Hanyu's success as been noted already has been the attention to detail in his training, particularly managing his day to day regime with varying degrees of delicate health conditions that Nanami has been familiar with for many years. She knows how much he can take, and needs to recuperate and take a break in small varying degrees on a day to day basis. I can only imagine the young and the restless's tendency is likely to go for it at 110% everyday and likely leads to big chances of injury. That is why a maternal figure can work very well in this case vs a testosterone driven coach who has a history liking to show off his students and have always shown a gunho attitude building them up to the press. Remember the amount of media hype he did for Adam Rippon and Christina Gao a while back with magazine covers and big feature interviews? Still, not much result to show for it.

    Having Nanami's first priority full time vs Orser who seems to have accumulated a large stable of skaters with less possibility to have the proper one to one attention Hanyu is used to, this would be a major change. From the reports I have read, Orser seems to favour managed skaters in groups sessions, which was why Joubert and Verner have tried but left quickly not having used to this style where their flaw and weakness can be so exposed.

    Thought of the day:
    What is Hanyu in North America? HANYUNA = Han = 漢 = 漢YuNa = Male Yuna (in Kanji)
    ( sorry can't help it)

    Hey mann.. whatever works, he is still my Olympic Gold choice :P Let's hope Mr. Triple Axels himself finally found himself a student with a proper consistent 3Axels that don't get deteriorated with coaching. Other wise I'd be seriously depressed for Hanyu.

    Part of Hanyu's legend that I have enjoyed had been he didn't buckle up the trend to get a big league coach or choreographer for what ever political / reputation incentivised trend that many skaters out there seems to do. I wish him the best of luck! And hope he doesn't loose out these unique pure qualities of his skating. I do think artistically he can benefit from David Wilson's playful experimental style, and certainly he can benefit from a world class COP team that knows how to maximize out of his best qualities in terms of scoring.

    I wonder how the Canadian skating federation feel about this since Hanyu is likely to be one of Patrick Chans biggest threat in the next couple of years. Just no sabotage please.
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    Right after the WC, they sat team Japan down and interviewed them all together. When it came to Hanyu, they said we have a special something for you and then showed his coach sending him a video message. She said he's special and wished him the best of luck in the future and something about succeed in the future. And then he awkwardly thanked her. I thought that was really odd, but I guess in light of this news, it wasn't that odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTnoona View Post
    If that is the case how is he going to keep going to school in Sendai? Unless the school has some special program where they allow their top athletes to just take their midterms and finals or w/e else they have to take in Japan to graduate and not be present at school for months, isn't it going to be difficult for him to finish school in Japan?
    I don't know...I've always wondered the same. For one thing, the new school term starts in early April in Japan, so perhaps Yuzuru will be able to start school once the season ends. So from April-July, Yuzuru will be in school. Yuzuru goes to a high school where most of his classmates are athletes, so the school probably does have a special program in place. I am not too sure, because I've never investigated into this matter although I am also very curious.

    How can Narumi attend Keio when she trains in Montreal? She's a third year student too....so there must be some kind of special arrangement. Also same with Takahiko Kozuka and grad school. I always wonder how these Japanese skaters can continue to go to school while training full-time....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Right after the WC, they sat team Japan down and interviewed them all together. When it came to Hanyu, they said we have a special something for you and then showed his coach sending him a video message. She said he's special and wished him the best of luck in the future and something about succeed in the future. And then he awkwardly thanked her. I thought that was really odd, but I guess in light of this news, it wasn't that odd.
    Ahh...that. He was really teary, and it's hard to think or words to say besides "thank you" in such a situation. Hanyu said Nanami Abe has been one of his biggest motivators, and will continue to be *thumbsup*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    I don't know...I've always wondered the same. For one thing, the new school term starts in early April in Japan, so perhaps Yuzuru will be able to start school once the season ends. So from April-July, Yuzuru will be in school. Yuzuru goes to a high school where most of his classmates are athletes, so the school probably does have a special program in place. I am not too sure, because I've never investigated into this matter although I am also very curious.

    How can Narumi attend Keio when she trains in Montreal? She's a third year student too....so there must be some kind of special arrangement. Also same with Takahiko Kozuka and grad school. I always wonder how these Japanese skaters can continue to go to school while training full-time....
    Narumi and Kozuka are college students though. Doesn't Kozuka train in Japan? In the states, once your in college you don't have to attend class, you just have to take the midterms if there are any and final. If college in Japan is similar (I don't know), that may be how Narumi is doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTnoona View Post
    Narumi and Kozuka are college students though. Doesn't Kozuka train in Japan? In the states, once your in college you don't have to attend class, you just have to take the midterms if there are any and final. If college in Japan is similar (I don't know), that may be how Narumi is doing it.
    Yes, but Narumi didn't graduate under a Japanese high school? She trained in Montreal since 2007, so there must have been same kind of arrangement. Same for Mao Asada...how did she graduate from high school when she was training full time overseas?

    I've never studied under the Japanese school system, but I know people who have. They told me there is a huge emphasis on exams in high school (less so on participation and assignments, like the typical Canadian high school), so it's similar to some colleges, where if you show up for the important exams and pass, it's all good. Reminds me of my high school, where you're expected to show up for class, but in the end it all boils down to a few exams
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    If Irina has a dime everytime the Russian fed told her to change coach, she probably would be very rich now. This is sad. I'm a bit disappointed in Hanyu.

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    I think that Hanyu should move to Toronto and do all his training there. To do something in Toronto and something in Japan is not a good idea at all, way too distracting. A skater needs to concentrate fully on the training and not spend precious time to travelling from Canada to Japan, etc.

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