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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    But I do recognize that Yuzuru is a different case, as Serious Business mentioned, it's probably more about the facilities and ice-time. All I hope for is Nanami to be by Yuzuru's side during the Olympics
    I was only speculating on the potential benefits of this change. I don't know if they were any part of the considerations involved in making it. Again, pure speculation here, but I think the people who made the decision were thinking of what Orser could impart to Yuzuru more than anything else. After all, Orser took Javier Fernandez from also-ran to serious contender (and one of Yuzuru's nearest rivals) this season, which can't escape the notice of people watching out for Yuzuru's career. Personally, I just don't see what extra bit Orser can bring because almost everything is going so, so right with Nanami, except for the stamina issue. But based on my limited knowledge of Brian Orser's coaching, he's not really known for improving that, is he?

    I'm still hopeful about this change, though, primarily because I think it will improve Yuzuru's training logistics. As long as he still has a good coach who can work with him, then it's all good and getting better! I just hope Yuzuru won't get too homesick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    Heard through the grapevine that me JSF is paying for most of his expenses. It's hard to turn this down, especially if your federation is providing you with unlimited support.
    Wouldn't it be cheaper if he stayed in Japan with Nanami Abe? The whole travelling thing and Brian Orser isn't the cheapest option here. While it might be true that the training conditions are better - wasn't he just training a few hours per week because of his asthma? I wonder how he will fare under a stricter schedule. I hope he won't overwork himself.

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    One thing I do know though: Abe has a lot of class.
    I agree. I hope to see more of her. What I really hope for is that she will find another talented skater who she can help to stardom. I want to see her again, it's so sad she won't be in the big competitions anymore.

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    I'm not sure I like this decision either, however, I hope it works out. I wonder if the family's financial issues played a part in this decision....with the disaster in his hometown, it had to have affected the family's livelihood. Perhaps JSF is providing the resources for his training, and he has no choice?
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    I'm glad that Orser took on Hanyu. This may (all speculation on my part) be initiated by Sensei Abe herself. She may have realised that she has taught him all she could.

    Also, I think Orser is just increasing his chances of getting a "second gold medal." I hope he gets it--either with Javi, or Yuzuru. Or anyone else who chooses to go to him.

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    I don't think finance is an issue. Don't top Japanese skaters draw employee salaries from the big corporations? Most skaters also represent universities but class attendance seems to not be emphasized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    And Toronto is not prone to earthquakes or tsunami.
    oh, please, planet earth is crazy, don't even tempt the weather gods in Toronto

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue dog View Post
    I'm glad that Orser took on Hanyu. This may (all speculation on my part) be initiated by Sensei Abe herself. She may have realised that she has taught him all she could.

    Also, I think Orser is just increasing his chances of getting a "second gold medal." I hope he gets it--either with Javi, or Yuzuru. Or anyone else who chooses to go to him.
    Really doubt the change was initated by Abe since as others pointed out, really isn't much Orser can add to what he has already. His lack of stamina due to severe asthma seems to be his biggest weakness.

    I'm certain the JSF pressured the change and Abe had no choice other than to go along with it or risk ending her coaching career, since she's not a big name coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    oh, please, planet earth is crazy, don't even tempt the weather gods in Toronto

    1. Toronto does not find a fault to dwell on.

    2. Lake tsunami is not a known phenomenon.

    Weather gods in Toronto specialize in ice, snow, sleet, blizzards, blistering winter blasts and the likes but are amateurs in earthquakes and tsunamis.

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    stupid

    Stupid move. Orser hasn't turned Cao, Phaneuf into gold.

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    While it's great that Toronto is hardly hit by natural disasters, isn't it a bit insensitive to joke about the Tohoku earthquake/tsunami, which killed over 15K people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateflower View Post
    Stupid move. Orser hasn't turned Cao, Phaneuf into gold.
    No but Javi and Elene have both improve a lot under him. I think it just depends on the skater. Yuzuru has the kind of talent you just can't teach, at this point it's more about maintaining his level, keeping him healthy, and making sure he has programs that will enable him to win. Orser can help with those things as that is what he did with Yuna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    No but Javi and Elene have both improve a lot under him. I think it just depends on the skater. Yuzuru has the kind of talent you just can't teach, at this point it's more about maintaining his level, keeping him healthy, and making sure he has programs that will enable him to win. Orser can help with those things as that is what he did with Yuna.
    Help what? The choreographies Orser's team tossed out to his star students were atrocious. Yuzuru is specially partly because of his raw, fearless showmanship on ice. Technicall, there's not much Orser can teach him anyway. Artistically, no, the generic made-in-Canada skater is just too much...

    Javi and Elene didn't do that well at the worlds. Orser is not a magician...

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    BO already had an eye on Yuzu at COR last year, didn't he?
    http://hiphotos.baidu.com/darklord19...c4b645126d.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue dog View Post
    While it's great that Toronto is hardly hit by natural disasters, isn't it a bit insensitive to joke about the Tohoku earthquake/tsunami, which killed over 15K people?
    Wasn't meant to be a joke that way to belittle the suffering. It's because Hanyu has gone through enough of the trauma already and being away from the scene sometimes can be good. While it's true earthquakes and tsunamis are very unlikely in Toronto, it is certainly not immune to natural disasters. People everywhere suffer from natural disasters of different scales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue dog View Post
    I'm glad that Orser took on Hanyu. This may (all speculation on my part) be initiated by Sensei Abe herself. She may have realised that she has taught him all she could.

    Also, I think Orser is just increasing his chances of getting a "second gold medal." I hope he gets it--either with Javi, or Yuzuru. Or anyone else who chooses to go to him.
    If Yuzuru wins the Gold Medal in Sochi, it is not because he changed coaches now. This hypothetical medal is not Orsers, it is Yuzurus alone, because he is already Gold Medal material. I also doubt that Nanami Abe left Yuzuru because she didn't want to train him anymore. I wonder if Yuzuru is still too young and was pressured by his federation? He seems to have a strong will, so I doubt it. Takahashi was older when the Morozov thing happened - he was probably more outspoken on keeping Nagimitsu as coach. But then I always felt that Takahashi is a much softer character, Yuzuru seems to know exactly what he wants and has less self-doubts. This is very confusing and unless they talk about it, it'll all be speculation. I also feels a bit weird to see Yuzuru move to Canada, because in my mind he is so connected to Japan and especially Sendai. I think he is a real motivation for the people there.

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