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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    That's exactly the point. If Lepisto was a plain, dumpy girl with the jumps she had, lovely Miki and John Travolta look-alike Phaneuf would have finished ahead of her.
    Yes but if Miki was a plain, dumpy girl, one could argue that angelic Mao and superstar Yuna would have finished ahead of her the 2 years she took gold by such a narrow margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    That's exactly the point. If Lepisto was a plain, dumpy girl with the jumps she had, lovely Miki and John Travolta look-alike Phaneuf would have finished ahead of her.
    Poor Phanny the Manny. I hope Brian Orser fixes her jumps, but also packages her in a way that accentuates her features. I like girls who are muscular, but her previous costumes have attempted to hide that, and it hasn't worked out well. I think with the right costume, her broad shoulders, large quadriceps, and ripped arms can be seen as a good feature, and evoke power, athleticism, and dynamic movements, rather than make her look like a passable transvestite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I don't believe so. For her to improve upon this year she would have to beat all but one of: Ashley, Gracie, Mirai, Alyssa, and Caroline. That's a tall order because I think all (except Caroline) are superior skaters.
    Any top skaters who skates decently at Nationals will easily beat Czisny. After the embarassment of Worlds the USFSA's love affair with her will be over for good, in fact she will receive Flatt like dumpage at Nationals next year even if she puts up a decent performance. Mirai has been on decline since Vancouver, and seems bored to be out there. Again if you cant beat her, it mostly means you are sucking, since Mirai isnt hard to beat right now. Ashley, Gracie, and Caroline are the mones ones to target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Yeah but if we're going to use that argument, the girl she beat out for 3rd (Miki Ando) won 2 world titles and the argument could be made that if SHE wasn't pretty she wouldn't have won either. If Miki hadn't undergone that physical transformation after her 2006 Olympic meltdown, I hate to say this, but I wonder if she might not have won the world title in 07 (not to mention in 2011, when she was even leaner, skated in lingerie like costumes, and didn't even attempt any difficult jump combinations...).
    I honestly never noticed a change in Miki's look since 2006. Well, she was slightly thinner, but I don't think it made her look any BETTER or WORSE. I always thought she looked decently pretty, never ugly or gorgeous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    I honestly never noticed a change in Miki's look since 2006. Well, she was slightly thinner, but I don't think it made her look any BETTER or WORSE. I always thought she looked decently pretty, never ugly or gorgeous.
    Seriously?

    2006: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOw7KoMz7s4

    2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9U76uPa8Ss

    2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWKRUPYvJN8

    Not only did she slim down and tone up, but her costumes and overall packaging 2007 on were more sexy/elegant in a westernized sense whereas in 2006 she looked frumpy and had that very harsh "asian" haircut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    That's exactly the point. If Lepisto was a plain, dumpy girl with the jumps she had, lovely Miki and John Travolta look-alike Phaneuf would have finished ahead of her.
    My point was Lepisto wasn't the only pretty one among the trolls. If that was the case, I would attribute her bronze medal to her beauty. All 3 are desirable. Yes, there's a market for Cynthia look, believe it or not.

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    Whoa, you guys cynthia has a striking face- she has a very masculine physiqie, but most skaters have no breasts. Only the tiny Asian girls look good with no curves. It is natural and feminine. Miki looks like Sophia Loren. With all the Asian beauties in our sport, I never saw Miki as pretty at all. Taste I guess is so individual. Mao has those funny earlobes and is crosseyed but to me she is a beautiful butterfly-her tinny figure in periwinkle is so feminine and she moves so beautifully. Yuna is like a gazelle, a greyhound, a racehorse with those huge jumps and flexed feet that still look huge with beige bootcovers. She is a beautiful face, though, I'll bet among the prettiest korean women on the planet.

    Cynthia has beautiful eyes. I agree the slicked hair does not make her look feminine. The prettiest skater right now is Ash but she skates with a power that is more yang than yin.

    I never saw John Travolta while watching cynthia...that is the oddest comparison. I would say Travolta is in the news so maybe that is why he comes to mind. John was actually a beautiful young man, the eyes, the hair, the hips. Almost feminine in a way. Maybe we are just getting more androgenous as a culture? And it is obvious with athletes who are maxing their bodies out. I have often wondered if extreme exercise stops puberty in its tracks? Cynthia has an agnes type body. Is this a good thing in this glam sport? Tonya was never too petite as she didn't train but her face was girly and she looked girly despite the thighs. Tonya when thinner was really cute with those big blue eyes.

    Wonder if she will push her son to skate to make up for her ruined career...oh, well.

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    Tonya was on Inside Edition in a three part interview recently with her son Gordon, and no, she does not want Gordon to skate. FSU discusses it here.

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...17#post3570017

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    Re. the comment above "... Flatt like dumpage at Nationals...":
    Flatt skated well in her 2012 Nationals free skate (her best performance of the season, landing 5 of 6 planned triples) and finished 4th in that segment. I thought she was scored fairly and received the marks she deserved.

    Back to Agnes Z... with Christy Krall no longer coaching Patrick Chan, perhaps Zawadzki and Krall's other students will be receiving more time/attention and improvements will be noticeable in the coming season? We shall see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    macy judges give beauty points-look at alissa 's entire career. i rest my case-it is the glamour sport, like it or not.
    yes it is, i've had firsthand experience unfortunately with other girls recieving beauty points. just IMO i wish it was solely based on the skating and nothing else.
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    I don't see Agnes breaking through next season. IMO, she has too much to work on. First is her consistency. As a senior, she's shown no ability to do a clean (or even relatively clean) long program. Second, her packaging needs a LOT of improvement--better programs, costumes, musicality, attention to detail. And yes, softening her hair/makeup.

    Agnes has a ton of talent, but I think her development may be a multi-year process, sort of like Carolina Kostner's. Some skaters, like Michelle, Yu-Na, and Mao, somehow burst onto the senior scene with all the pieces in place. But for most skaters, it's a longer process to find out what works for them as competitors. Carolina is really the perfect example. It took her years to figure out how to harness her natural speed and jumping ability to best effect. And like Agnes, Carolina is tall and womanly; the traditional "ice princess" look didn't really suit her, and she had to develop her own style. In the last 2 years, she has finally found the right packaging and training approach, and it's all come together.

    I think the same thing could happen for Agnes, but it will take time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Re. the comment above "... Flatt like dumpage at Nationals...":
    Flatt skated well in her 2012 Nationals free skate (her best performance of the season, landing 5 of 6 planned triples) and finished 4th in that segment. I thought she was scored fairly and received the marks she deserved.

    Back to Agnes Z... with Christy Krall no longer coaching Patrick Chan, perhaps Zawadzki and Krall's other students will be receiving more time/attention and improvements will be noticeable in the coming season? We shall see.
    Yes, Rachael was scored fairly in the FS at Nationals, but remember last season when she scored 121+ for a FS that was not as good? The point is she was "dumped" not in that her scores were unfair, but rather that they were fair, as opposed to inflated as they had been in the past. I think the poster meant Alissa will no longer be held up at Nationals now that the Worlds disaster has happened. So her performances from this year's nationals, instead of scoring 63 and 116, would more likely be around 55 and 105, which is what she likely would have gotten for those performances internationally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Yes, Rachael was scored fairly in the FS at Nationals, but remember last season when she scored 121+ for a FS that was not as good? The point is she was "dumped" not in that her scores were unfair, but rather that they were fair, as opposed to inflated as they had been in the past. I think the poster meant Alissa will no longer be held up at Nationals now that the Worlds disaster has happened. So her performances from this year's nationals, instead of scoring 63 and 116, would more likely be around 55 and 105, which is what she likely would have gotten for those performances internationally.
    Was she scored fairly in the FS this year? Her PCS was 7th or 8th and she skated with much more conviction that maybe all of them save Ashley. She got one of two standing Os for ladies.
    She was definitely dumped this year.

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    I can see Tonya Harding's point. To be honest, if I had a son or daighter, I wouldn't encourage them to take up figure skating either. For the girls, it's asking them to have eating disorders and self-esteem issues. For the boys, they should be roughing it up. For both of them, why enter them into pre-judged sporting events? Why go into a sport in which a competitor can be "dumped" or have their scores "inflated" or not win because they lack "momentum?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Was she scored fairly in the FS this year? Her PCS was 7th or 8th and she skated with much more conviction that maybe all of them save Ashley. She got one of two standing Os for ladies.
    She was definitely dumped this year.
    Fair for skating in penultimate group, I'd say. Her score would have been higher had she made the final flight, I'm almost certain.

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