Surprising that SC didn't name Phaneuf to the Skate Canada Grand Prix. Is this an indication that they are not happy with her dismal International performances last year or did SC wake up and realise they have to develop their younger talent. Lacoste and Osmond got Skate Canada Grand Prix (Lacoste was a definite based on World Standings). Still one TBA. Hopefully SC chooses the right skaters for the JGP.
Based on who and who did not get selected to the national development camp, I think Skate Canada does realise the need to focus on the younger ones. They certainly did not realise this last season.Originally Posted by hohoho
Last season Roxanne Rheault ( 17 as of July 1, 2012 ) and Véronik Mallet ( 18 as of July 1 , 2012 ) were listed as substitutes for JGPs ( even though neither got an assignment ). Roxanne only has a consistent triple toe and Mallet only has toe and salchow consistent.
Both of them were considered for JGP's last season ahead of Gabrielle Daleman ( 14 as of July 1, 2012 ) who did not even get listed as a substitute for a JGP . While her summer scores were overall slightly lower than Rheault's and Mallet's , Gabrielle was very consistent with salchow, toe and lutz over the summer and she even landed a triple flip in competition once.
If I was a SC selector last season, I would put Gabrielle way ahead of Mallet and Rheault. It is also a sign that perhaps Quebec inflates their scores in competition.
The good news is that Gabrielle was invited to the development camp and Mallet and Rheault were left off. Based on the selection list it is obvious that age went into it as most of the participants are 14 and 15.
SC may be hoping Phaneuf may get a replacement invite from another federation so another Canadian Lady may get the TBA spot in Canada. I think they are saving it for her for now.
Nope, replacement skaters are selected off the Seasons Best list, and skaters who have already received one assignment (*) are likely to be selected over those who haven't received any as yet. Note: skaters in italics are going to JGP
11 173.22 Mirai NAGASU*
14 166.94 Kiira KORPI*
15 166.07 Sofia BIRYUKOVA*
17 164.13 Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA*
19 162.34 Polina SHELEPEN *
20 162.20 Satoko MIYAHARA
23 157.83 Risa SHOJI
24 157.31 Zijun LI*
26 156.58 Vanessa LAM
28 153.84 Samantha CESARIO
30 152.48 Christina GAO*
33 149.71 Hae-Jin KIM
34 148.65 Polina AGAFONOVA
35 148.48 Amelie LACOSTE*
37 147.88 Joshi HELGESSON*
38 147.63 Rachael FLATT*
39 147.47 Cynthia PHANEUF
Cynthia's best hope for an assignment is to be selected as the SC TBA.
Yesterday, Phaneuf tweeted this response to an inquiry about her absence from the GP list:
Cynthia Phaneuf @PhaneufCynthia
... they haven't been all attributed yet and I'll might only get one this year but... I will still be competing this year.
1:38 PM - 22 May 12
The way I read this, she seems fairly confident (or optimistic?) that she'll end up with at least one GP event.
It will be interesting how many Canadian ladies get senior B's to fight for the TBA slot. Phaneuf will get one for sure as will Samson I think if she is healthy and skates decently in Quebec.
Will Canada go beyond Nebelhorn for senior B's though ? That is very rare. Will Najarro, Charbonneau and Descantis get assignments ? Will someone else make huge improvements over the summer ?
My nightmare situation is that Phaneuf and Najarro both go to Nebelhorn with Najarro eeking it out over Phaneuf. Najarro has shown over 4 seasons of JGP's ( and one JW ) that she simply does not skate well internationally.
Anyway I am sure Skate Canada will focus more on the younger Osmond's and Daleman's of the world. It will take a while for the fruit to ripe ( if it does ) but our young ones (ie those 17 and youger ) are the only ones who can get us out of the ladies doldrums.
Does Osmond have to do a Senior B prior to SCI to get a minumum score or does her score from JW count? With the list of eligible skaters that chuckm listed above, there is no chance of Phaneuf being invited to another GP. There are some competitions that SC can use (Nebelhorn, Salt Lake City, Finlandia) to help with the "decline" in GP placings. Not sure how many SC can send to these events or if they are willing to assign skaters to these events. It is interesting that other countries are using the Senior B's to boost World Rankings
The JW score does count as making the minimum.
Generally Canada could send 2 ladies to each of the events you mentioned. They only send skaters to Nebelhorn most of the time. Even if they send skaters to other senior Bs the Nebelhorn bound skaters will always be higher on the totem pole for any TBA slots at Skate Canada.
They used to send more skaters to senior Bs until there was a situation quite a while ago when Canada entered 2 pairs to a senior B but it turned out they were the only pairs entered in the event. Hence all the money for no points ( not enough countries ) and no great international experience either. Since then they are reluctant to send skaters to events other than Nebelhorn.
That's a ridiculous excuse. It's a well-known fact that few Senior Pairs show up for "B"s with the exception of Nebelhorn and maybe NRW S&P. For most of the "B"s, there are enough Senior Men and Ladies to earn points and provide competitive experience.
It would make far more sense for Canada to be very selective for Pairs, but why penalize the Singles skaters and dancers because there aren't enough competitive pairs in "B"s? It's cutting off the nose to spite the face. No wonder Canadian ladies are in such a sorry state.
Hopefully SC will take advantage of the Senior B in Salt Lake City this year. I think it was a big loss last year to cancel the Senior B at Thornhill.
Assuming that SC use Nebelhorn as usual and hopefully take advantage of Salt Lake City, who should be sent? Osmond hasn't skated Senior internationally. She should have went to WTT. Should she be sent to Nebelhorn or Salt Lake City?
Totally agree. The other problem is that even when SC sends skaters to events other than Nebelhorn, those results are ignored even when the skaters in the other events skate better. Getting a senior B other than Nebelhorn puts you in the reject pile for serious SC TBA slots.
I remember when Duhamel finished 2nd at Zagreb ( a senior B but not Nebelhorn ) and Duhamel still did not get any consideration for any slots. It is a pity that as a singles skater she always competed better internationally than domestically as that factor really killed her in Canada.
Skate Canada will likely only look at Nebelhorn results even if other skaters do better at other senior B events. That has always been the case. SC has to start treating all senior B's reasonably equally ( the ISU sure does point wise and SB wise ).
It should be noted that International "B"s are not reflected on the SEASONS BEST score list. SB list events are JGP, GP, Euros, 4CC, JW, Worlds and WTC.
yes but they will still rack up points
I will go out on a limb here and predict the following:
Osmond/Phaneuf to Nebelhorn
Desanctis/Najarro to Salt Lake City
With Osmond going Senior, the JGP could be:
Daleman - 2
Purich - 2
Seguin - 1
Dunley - 1
I think Mira Leung should make a comeback.
I just saw her videos on youtube and I can not believe how Skate Canada did not give her respect and have not helped her to develop her potential.
Mira Leung has really great control of nerve in competition. She was much better than today's Canadian (except Osmond). She had two triple lutz and two triple flip in her past program. It's Such A Shame. Today, She Would Be much appreciated Than Phaneuf and Lacoste ...
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