Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 53

Thread: ISU Scale of Values, Levels of Difficulty and Guidelines for GOEs for 2012-13

  1. #1
    At the rink. Again. mskater93's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    3,201

    ISU Scale of Values, Levels of Difficulty and Guidelines for GOEs for 2012-13

    Scale of Values, Levels of Difficulty and Guidelines for marking Grade of Execution 2012-2013 (Single & Pair Skating) has been published on the ISU website.

    Changes include changing the choreographic step/spairal sequence to a choreographic sequence which may include spirals, spread eagles, Bauers, steps, turns, UST (unidentifiable spinny things), etc that cover the whole ice and adding a Basic Level spin to differentiate from spins where the skater achieves one feature. Hopefully these two things pass if nothing else on the list.

  2. #2
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    5,518
    The choreo sequence proposal was exactly what led me to musing in Patrick Chan fan thread about having Gary Beacom chroreographing it for Chan. Mr. Skating Genius specializes in Unidentifiable Surprising Techniques not seen or allowed in competitions. Beacom's creativity + Chan's mad skills, oh the possibilities!

    If ISU loosens up to innovations at least in the choreo sequence, both skaters and fans may be enjoying more variety and entertaining or challenging moves. Since it's basically about elements with no set BVs, I wonder if some of the very interesting moves in show skating will be allowed.

  3. #3
    Missing Tdizzle and SDiggity golden411's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    5,085
    Jeffrey Buttle ‏ @J_Butt has tweeted these comments:

    "The ISU seems as though it is trying to suppress creativity these days, and frustrate choreographers with rule changes in June."

    "Okay perhaps stifle is the more appropriate word. Why is it imperative that a ladies step sequence come before the spiral choreo sequence?"

  4. #4
    Trixie Schuba's biggest fan! blue dog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    San Diego, CA
    Posts
    2,098
    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    Jeffrey Buttle ‏ @J_Butt has tweeted these comments:

    "The ISU seems as though it is trying to suppress creativity these days, and frustrate choreographers with rule changes in June."

    "Okay perhaps stifle is the more appropriate word. Why is it imperative that a ladies step sequence come before the spiral choreo sequence?"
    Maybe they're trying to give the girls a rest spot, but that'll just make all the programs look the same! What if a girl wanted to start with a spiral sequence?

  5. #5
    Custom Title Mathman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Detroit, Michigan
    Posts
    28,357
    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    UST (unidentifiable spinny things)
    Is this official ISU language?

    Another proposed change is to give a ten percent bonus for jumps in the second half of the short program, like it is for the long program. Supposedly this will lead to "more balanced program" -- but more likely it will just lead to back-loading of SPs instead of front-loaidng.

    I think it would be better to give credit for a truly balanced program in the choreography component.

  6. #6
    Missing Tdizzle and SDiggity golden411's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    5,085
    Just noticed that Mirai Nagasu had replied to Buttle's tweets:

    Mirai Nagasu ‏ @mirai_nagasu
    "@J_Butt OMG where are you getting these rules?"

  7. #7
    Custom Title Mathman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Detroit, Michigan
    Posts
    28,357
    @Mirai --Click where it says "click here." The whole pdf is 138 pages long.

    http://www2.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/p...0.html?id=1059

  8. #8
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    3,897
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Is this official ISU language?

    Another proposed change is to give a ten percent bonus for jumps in the second half of the short program, like it is for the long program. Supposedly this will lead to "more balanced program" -- but more likely it will just lead to back-loading of SPs instead of front-loaidng.
    I think what it will lead to is more variety of ways to "load" the jumps in the short program. The skaters who are trying difficulty at the limits of their own ability will keep most or all of the jumps near the beginning, and the skaters who are comfortable with their jumps will save more toward the end. I certainly expect more senior ladies to be putting their double axels later in the program.

    Some might choose to do easier jumps and make up for the lower difficulty with later placement to gain points.
    E.g., for a senior lady it might also be worth while to do a solo triple toe in the second half instead of a triple flip near the beginning.

    A few will plan their programs based on what best fits the music and program concept regardless of how that affects their percentages on landing the jumps cleanly, but no matter how you define the rewards I think that group will always be a small minority.

    I think it would be better to give credit for a truly balanced program in the choreography component.
    Yes, but that's subjective and unenforceable -- all it can be is a guideline to judges to remember to take that one specific criterion into account.

    However, it wouldn't hurt to add in that reminder in addition.

  9. #9
    Missing Tdizzle and SDiggity golden411's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    5,085
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    @Mirai --Click where it says "click here." The whole pdf is 138 pages long.

    http://www2.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/p...0.html?id=1059

    Would not blame her for reacting with "OMG" x 138 (if a tweet could be that long)!
    New rules, new coaches ... but I hope Mirai has a good season ahead of her.

  10. #10
    Custom Title Mathman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Detroit, Michigan
    Posts
    28,357
    Another proposal is to allow vocal music in singles and pairs after 2014. I don't think I like that so much. I wouldn't want the singing to overshadow the skating.

  11. #11
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    5,609
    One big change is that there will be no three GP option.

  12. #12
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    5,518
    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    One big change is that there will be no three GP option.
    That is not a big change, just a return to normal, after one season of deviation.

    Interesting for the Japanese and the French federations as to who would compete in NHK and TEB.

  13. #13
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    5,609
    It's an admission that an idea the ISU had was wrong. That itself makes it noteworthy.

  14. #14
    At the rink. Again. mskater93's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    3,201
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Is this official ISU language?
    It was pretty close (it's more of a skater unofficial thing). Official language: "spinning movements"

  15. #15
    Trixie Schuba's biggest fan! blue dog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    San Diego, CA
    Posts
    2,098
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Another proposal is to allow vocal music in singles and pairs after 2014. I don't think I like that so much. I wouldn't want the singing to overshadow the skating.
    Now we get to hear Carmen with lyrics!

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •