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    I went to the Saturday evening show "Dreams on Ice." I didn't plan actually, but when they added Dai to the cast at the end of May, naturally I couldn't resist. The only question was when, and while I was cleaning up my schedule, the tickets were sold out. But there is always the way out. Also, I heard that they sometimes sell tickets without seats in Shin-Yokohama Skate Center just before the show. Anyway, I had no ticket at all, so I would be happy to get in no matter with a seat or without it. I couldn't make it yesterday or on 16th morning. So I went to the ticket office on Saturday during my free-time at around 3pm. The window was shut down literally with the iron curtain, a few ladies were waiting in a line, the written note was telling that the sell will start at 5pm. I couldn't come there at 5pm, so I came when I got free but it was already around 6:30pm, the start time of the show. The ojisan in the ticket window was speaking on the phone and gave me a sign to wait. I didn't want to wait and it seemed like there was no tickets afterall, I was late. On the corner near the traffic light right next to the convinience store 7/11 there was an easily-recognized broker. Those guys are usually keeping a ticket in the hand and are always standing back to the officials. He was dealing with a 17,000 yen stuff and I am sure he would be happy to sell it at a cheaper price because the show has already started. Nevertheless, I gave him two banknotes of 10,000 yen and said some local equivalent of "keep the change" (well, in fact there is none since here there is no such a thing as tips, but you can always say what you mean). I CAN'T STAND ticket brokers! That's why I always treat them like dogs- giving them cheap digs. I am sure he was happy. Nasty people doing their filthy "business". In Russia they are like parasites, making business almost officially. I still remember Moscow Worlds and all negative stuff that those morons created around tickets sales. Once again I use the moment to tell a thank-you to Plush fans in Moscow who helped me to get an OCG card after I failed to buy Worlds tickets from Japan. The 40+yo guy in a black jacket and glasses who I dealt with today sold me the ticket that he bought in a Family Mart in Musashi-murayama-shinmei-ten, I have no idea where exactly it is. It's still in Tokyo prefecture but near Saitama? Anyway, it's not even near Yokohama. Probably those guys have a headquater there. It's not a very common thing in Japan- ticket brokers, I mean compared to Russia. But occasionally they do exist.

    I entered the arena when the entrance of skaters was going on. While the staffer was showing me in the dark where to go, I had to go down to minami-arena and pass people, then again a ticket check before I entered my area, and all this was in the dark, blah-blah. So, I coudn't see well the whole entrance procedure. Narumi fell from a throw jump, as usual. Hanyu fell from a quad. Takahiko Mura landed his fantastic 3A and 3F. Dai landed his classic combo 3F-3T, then 3L and performed a very fast combo-spin. Chan fell from 3F, first he fell on a butt, then he turned around somehow and ended up lying on his tummy face down, then he tried to jump into a spin or whatever, but he landed on the knee. Boys did an eagle, girls- a spiral. That is what I could catch while talking with the arena staff and trying to get to my seat. Finally, after the entrance was over, I could reach my chair.
    Baby Shoma Uno was as cute as always, his feature element- Klimkin eagle with a 2A right after was adorable. Many junior skaters did well today, girls including. They were all ice-princesses, which always bores me, but comparing how meh-ed their elder sisters did later, the youngests were kicking around quite well, all of them: Imai, Sato, Soji and especially Miyahara, very confident, with a full set of 2A-3T, 3F-2T, 3L. Risa Shoji had the most beautiful jumps of the night- a terrific combination of lightness, highness and length. Watching Hino it's hard to believe that once he was over Hanyu. They guy is simply walking on the ice, trying to land something and to look entertaining. Kenji Tanaka presented his new SP, did everying almost clean, no combo though, and caused the first ovation. Daisuke Murakami, the dude with edges, is trying to be the second Daisuke very hard. He presented a shorten version of his new FS, quite elegant but far from clean- started well but then fell down from 3L and he twice double-d what was supposed to be 3A. When I saw Tatsuki Machida, and knowing his easy-going nature, at first I thought he was going to perform some parody on Dai's EX "The Crisis". The same shirt, the same pants, even the same posture at the beginning. And then- well, that was a perfect blend of passion, where a fun guy is still trying to sneak with his light-minded nature, and then again a storm of emotions. Everything was clean, all his jumps, 3A included. The magnificent performance of a young prince who deserves a much better place in team Japan than just a spot for 4CC. Pretty much the same can be said about Takahito Mura. What a shame that Japan can send only three spots to Worlds. Mura's 3A, one of the the highest and most powerfull 3A ever, would be a jewel in any event. His style is different, he is mature and masculine, very cool and that is his way to express himself. Mura and especially Machida got the hugest ovation of the night that got later beaten only by Daisuke.
    Kozuka skated the same style that he skates for years, could be enjoyable and fun with his footwork in sunglasses. But all those shaky landings, on combos, 3A and even solo 3L, don't speak well for the guy. In PIW in May he looked a little better and I had a hope that he will recover after a disaster season. But it seems like no radical changes are happening. Well, it's June and who knows what will be at JN when the team will be decided. Kanako challenged a 3L and a 2A-3T combo, and failed on both. The first lutz was butterflied, the combo was 1A-2T. She was so awfully upset that she couldn't focus after that and just kept skating mechanically, probably thinking what the hell had just happened. Narumi-Tran presented their new SP. The twist was okay, the side-by-side jump: both oops-ed. Narumi fell again on a throw jump. Miki looked beautiful and skated her "You must love me" stuff clean. But what she skated was in a la Arakawa set- 2A, 3S, a spin and postures. Hanyu was probably the biggest disappointment for me tonight. The set of jump was 3T, 3A, 3Loop, 3S, all clean and fine, yet no combo and no quad, which wasn't like that in last summer shows. But that wasn't the main reason for my upset. What kind of EX is it? I have no idea who contributed more in this EX, either Kurt or Orser. But Dear Uncles, he is just a kid! No need to dress him up in leathery-like pants and a silver jacket like a hooker. And surely no need to give him some lousy music, dancing cheap tricks, then undressing him till undershirt, "drawing" heart and throwing the clothing around. Come on! Send him back to Bestemyanova&Bobrin. They did an amazing job with him last season. Hanyu's talent is much worthier than some showy crap. Caro butterflied 3L, did 2L instead, 3S with step-out and two hands. Chan landed 3F and didn't fall, then landed two 2A, what he skated made me miss his Rach EX that I saw at WTT. Both Caro and Chan are World champions, who should think well when they are going with shows to Japan. Even junior skaters challenged more serious stuff here, not all of them succeeded everything, but they all challenged. Such lousy performances from both World champions is simply unacceptable. The audience was very supporting, with Italian and Canadian flags, and you guys with WC gold medals should have worked hard to pay people back. Akiko skated her new EX "The Umbrellas of Cherbourg", fell down on 3F, 2A was okay, then 3S with step-out and two hands on the ice. Dai skated the tango Primavera Portena and it was one of the most sensual tango that I ever saw live. The audience was bewitched, following his each move and didn't even dare to breathe. All set of 3F, 3A, 3L was there cleanly delivered. In a finale boys jumped, girls spinned, elder boys Dai, Hanyu and Kozuka all landed beautiful 3A. Chan chose to join the last group with elder girls, not boys, Akiko, Kanako, Miki, Caro and spinned with them. Then- bowing and fireworks.
    It's not enough to visit one show only. So I am a little disappointed that Dai was put on the list so late. I can't make it tomorrow, unless some emergency happened and my personal stuff will by cancelled. Then I'll go to the arena to deal with my beloved broker. If you decide to visit the show tomorrow morning, just keep in mind that the ticket office opens not at 10:00 but at 9:30am. The arena is cosy and small, with the perfect location. Have fun. I am jealous.

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    I went to the Saturday evening show "Dreams on Ice." I didn't plan actually, but when they added Dai to the cast at the end of May, naturally I couldn't resist. The only question was when, and while I was cleaning up my schedule, the tickets were sold out. But there is always the way out. Also, I heard that they sometimes sell tickets without seats in Shin-Yokohama Skate Center just before the show. Anyway, I had no ticket at all, so I would be happy to get in no matter with a seat or without it. I couldn't make it yesterday or on 16th morning. So I went to the ticket office on Saturday during my free-time at around 3pm. The window was shut down literally with the iron curtain, a few ladies were waiting in a line, the written note was telling that the sell will start at 5pm. I couldn't come there at 5pm, so I came when I got free but it was already around 6:30pm, the start time of the show. The ojisan in the ticket window was speaking on the phone and gave me a sign to wait. I didn't want to wait and it seemed like there was no tickets afterall, I was late. On the corner near the traffic light right next to the convinience store 7/11 there was an easily-recognized broker. Those guys are usually keeping a ticket in the hand and are always standing back to the officials. He was dealing with a 17,000 yen stuff and I am sure he would be happy to sell it at a cheaper price because the show has already started. Nevertheless, I gave him two banknotes of 10,000 yen and said some local equivalent of "keep the change" (well, in fact there is none since here there is no such a thing as tips, but you can always say what you mean). I CAN'T STAND ticket brokers! That's why I always treat them like dogs- giving them cheap digs. I am sure he was happy. Nasty people doing their filthy "business". In Russia they are like parasites, making business almost officially. I still remember Moscow Worlds and all negative stuff that those morons created around tickets sales. Once again I use the moment to tell a thank-you to Plush fans in Moscow who helped me to get an OCG card after I failed to buy Worlds tickets from Japan. The 40+yo guy in a black jacket and glasses who I dealt with today sold me the ticket that he bought in a Family Mart in Musashi-murayama-shinmei-ten, I have no idea where exactly it is. It's still in Tokyo prefecture but near Saitama? Anyway, it's not even near Yokohama. Probably those guys have a headquater there. It's not a very common thing in Japan- ticket brokers, I mean compared to Russia. But occasionally they do exist.

    I entered the arena when the entrance of skaters was going on. While the staffer was showing me in the dark where to go, I had to go down to minami-arena and pass people, then again a ticket check before I entered my area, and all this was in the dark, blah-blah. So, I coudn't see well the whole entrance procedure. Narumi fell from a throw jump, as usual. Hanyu fell from a quad. Takahiko Mura landed his fantastic 3A and 3F. Dai landed his classic combo 3F-3T, then 3L and performed a very fast combo-spin. Chan fell from 3F, first he fell on a butt, then he turned around somehow and ended up lying on his tummy face down, then he tried to jump into a spin or whatever, but he landed on the knee. Boys did an eagle, girls- a spiral. That is what I could catch while talking with the arena staff and trying to get to my seat. Finally, after the entrance was over, I could reach my chair.
    Baby Shoma Uno was as cute as always, his feature element- Klimkin eagle with a 2A right after was adorable. Many junior skaters did well today, girls including. They were all ice-princesses, which always bores me, but comparing how meh-ed their elder sisters did later, the youngests were kicking around quite well, all of them: Imai, Sato, Soji and especially Miyahara, very confident, with a full set of 2A-3T, 3F-2T, 3L. Risa Shoji had the most beautiful jumps of the night- a terrific combination of lightness, highness and length. Watching Hino it's hard to believe that once he was over Hanyu. They guy is simply walking on the ice, trying to land something and to look entertaining. Kenji Tanaka presented his new SP, did everying almost clean, no combo though, and caused the first ovation. Daisuke Murakami, the dude with edges, is trying to be the second Daisuke very hard. He presented a shorten version of his new FS, quite elegant but far from clean- started well but then fell down from 3L and he twice double-d what was supposed to be 3A. When I saw Tatsuki Machida, and knowing his easy-going nature, at first I thought he was going to perform some parody on Dai's EX "The Crisis". The same shirt, the same pants, even the same posture at the beginning. And then- well, that was a perfect blend of passion, where a fun guy is still trying to sneak with his light-minded nature, and then again a storm of emotions. Everything was clean, all his jumps, 3A included. The magnificent performance of a young prince who deserves a much better place in team Japan than just a spot for 4CC. Pretty much the same can be said about Takahito Mura. What a shame that Japan can send only three spots to Worlds. Mura's 3A, one of the the highest and most powerfull 3A ever, would be a jewel in any event. His style is different, he is mature and masculine, very cool and that is his way to express himself. Mura and especially Machida got the hugest ovation of the night that got later beaten only by Daisuke.
    Kozuka skated the same style that he skates for years, could be enjoyable and fun with his footwork in sunglasses. But all those shaky landings, on combos, 3A and even solo 3L, don't speak well for the guy. In PIW in May he looked a little better and I had a hope that he will recover after a disaster season. But it seems like no radical changes are happening. Well, it's June and who knows what will be at JN when the team will be decided. Kanako challenged a 3L and a 2A-3T combo, and failed on both. The first lutz was butterflied, the combo was 1A-2T. She was so awfully upset that she couldn't focus after that and just kept skating mechanically, probably thinking what the hell had just happened. Narumi-Tran presented their new SP. The twist was okay, the side-by-side jump: both oops-ed. Narumi fell again on a throw jump. Miki looked beautiful and skated her "You must love me" stuff clean. But what she skated was in a la Arakawa set- 2A, 3S, a spin and postures. Hanyu was probably the biggest disappointment for me tonight. The set of jump was 3T, 3A, 3Loop, 3S, all clean and fine, yet no combo and no quad, which wasn't like that in last summer shows. But that wasn't the main reason for my upset. What kind of EX is it? I have no idea who contributed more in this EX, either Kurt or Orser. But Dear Uncles, he is just a kid! No need to dress him up in leathery-like pants and a silver jacket like a hooker. And surely no need to give him some lousy music, dancing cheap tricks, then undressing him till undershirt, "drawing" heart and throwing the clothing around. Come on! Send him back to Bestemyanova&Bobrin. They did an amazing job with him last season. Hanyu's talent is much worthier than some showy crap. Caro butterflied 3L, did 2L instead, 3S with step-out and two hands. Chan landed 3F and didn't fall, then landed two 2A, what he skated made me miss his Rach EX that I saw at WTT. Both Caro and Chan are World champions, who should think well when they are going with shows to Japan. Even junior skaters challenged more serious stuff here, not all of them succeeded everything, but they all challenged. Such lousy performances from both World champions is simply unacceptable. The audience was very supporting, with Italian and Canadian flags, and you guys with WC gold medals should have worked hard to pay people back. Akiko skated her new EX "The Umbrellas of Cherbourg", fell down on 3F, 2A was okay, then 3S with step-out and two hands on the ice. Dai skated the tango Primavera Portena and it was one of the most sensual tango that I ever saw live. The audience was bewitched, following his each move and didn't even dare to breathe. All set of 3F, 3A, 3L was there cleanly delivered. In a finale boys jumped, girls spinned, elder boys Dai, Hanyu and Kozuka all landed beautiful 3A. Chan chose to join the last group with elder girls, not boys, Akiko, Kanako, Miki, Caro and spinned with them. Then- bowing and fireworks.
    It's not enough to visit one show only. So I am a little disappointed that Dai was put on the list so late. I can't make it tomorrow, unless some emergency happened and my personal stuff will by cancelled. Then I'll go to the arena to deal with my beloved broker. If you decide to visit the show tomorrow morning, just keep in mind that the ticket office opens not at 10:00 but at 9:30am. The arena is cosy and small, with the perfect location. Have fun. I am jealous.

    thanks for the entertaining review. can you comment on the music used by imai, shoji and the other ice princesses? did akiko skate only 'umbrellas' or was there a 2nd program, as well?

    disappointed to hear that even in a show mervin can't land his SBS. used to be it was predictably narumi who failed the jump, but now... et tu, mervin?

    i must respectfully disagree with you re: caro, pchan, other skaters who don't bring out the heavy artillery (quad, 3f, 3z, etc) for exhibitions. when i'm at a show and i see a spectacular splat, followed by the skater clumsily picking himself/herself off the ice, having missed several beats of music and choreographic details... just speaking for myself, i'm not thinking, wow, what respect that skater has for the audience, trying big, big jumps. instead i think, dear god, NOT HERE TOO!

    at least during the shows, i prefer for skaters to focus on their choreography and music rather than components, jumps, how many revolutions to hold this position, that position.

    quite disturbed to hear your description of hanyu's new exhibition. do you know whose choreography this is?

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    Thanks for your detailed report. I am surprised about your comments regarding Hanyu's exhibition. I thought he looked so cute in the promo photos. I am anxious to see it for myself. Sound like a lot of the skaters were having jump problems.

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    I only went to Artristy on Ice and Art on Ice Shanghai shows.both of them are very good shows and the cast is fabulous.I can't image to see Yagudin,Kurt and other big names in figure skating world in person.and if compare the two shows,ArOI has more fs stars,while AOI Shanghai's choreograph,light,dancers,organization is better.

    I search for some review of Dream on Ice show,many people said they love Hanyu's performance...I really want to see the EX and have my idea.When will the show broadcast on TV?

    I have different thought about the show.I don't want to see technique parts of fs on show,but artist side.Plushenko has best jumps,he did many perfect 3A and 3-3 combos on the shows,but his programs are empty.I'd love to see different kind of music,songs from ladygaga to opera as background music,different jump,spin,and moves from the show.a show is for entertaining,if I want to see difficuilt jumps,I can go to see COC and GPF.I've seen them,but I love shows too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Risa Shoji had the most beautiful jumps of the night- a terrific combination of lightness, highness and length.
    Wow, was Risa really that good? It's so great to hear such news after her dissaponting Jr Worlds.

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    How exciting to hear about shows that I would never be able to see for myself. Thanks especially for the detailed report about "Dreams on Ice."

    LuCN, I think I agree with you that in a show, I'd rather see something that stresses artistry. Of course one doesn't want something entirely without jumps, but it's lovely to see something that one wouldn't be able to see in a competition, something that strikes a chord in a viewer. This can be especially true for pairs skaters and ice dancers, who are able to perform an emotional romantic number without worrying about the rule book. Years ago, when ice dancing was very rigid, I went to a small show in which a Canadian couple, Barbara Berezowski and David Porter, skated to the second movement of Borodin's String Quartet number 2, surely one of the most lyrical pieces ever composed. They showed me something new in skating, and from that time on I was a devoted fan of the sport. I would never have seen such possibilities in a competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demarinis5 View Post
    I am surprised about your comments regarding Hanyu's exhibition.
    I am actually worried a little. If they made such a trashy EX, what kind of competitive programs are those Uncles going to create for him? Wilson is working on his SS, is he going to choreo Yuzu's progs too? The teen-boy has never lived overseas, he is there without school and parental supervision. Maybe Ms. Abe should visit the place with some kind of inspection on what is going on. Or JSF can appoint her as an "advisor" in Yuzu's team since now such a position is in fashion.
    Quote Originally Posted by skfan View Post
    when i'm at a show and i see a spectacular splat, followed by the skater clumsily picking himself/herself off the ice, having missed several beats of music and choreographic details...
    But me dear, that was precisely what had happened: splats, a bunch of step outs from not the most difficult elements in some lousy EXs. And all this in the same show where not only skaters without major titles like Tatsuki and Takahito, but also junior skaters skated better. It's not only Caro or Chan issue, it's a general tendency in FS that has been around for years and it's actually one of many reasons why the popularity of fs shows is declining in some areas. Some top skaters don't bother to work hard in shows, they think that they should be paid just for the appearance with their precious titles, like some wedding generals. Do you work half of your ability and expectations at your work too? And you boss still hasn't fired you? Such attitude of some skaters is not professional. They are paid and paid not cheap. Tickets on fs shows in Japan cost like for the Russian ballet that frequently visit here. I can't imagine that a prima-ballerina would work half of her ability and dance worse than a second-rank dancer of a corps de ballet. It's simply impossible. The reason why Plush is a cash cow is not only because he is a show case with the magnetic connection with the audience. But also because he never plays easy. The same goes about the majority of Japanese skaters, not elite ones only like Dai, but also all others, they consider it as rudeness to the audinece not to even try to do your best.
    Imai skated Pure Imagination, all skaters skated only one program, Akiko too. Footwork of Yuzu's EX was done by Kurt.

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    Some links:
    The video will be available after July 1st when the Kanto Fuji will broadcast the show. Now only news clips:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWsOAjD484
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUL2Hk8ru0
    Pics:
    http://photo.sankei.jp.msn.com/essay...06/0616dreams/
    Great thanks to Daisuke Murakami who posted backstage pics of the yukata party (thanks, man ):
    http://instagr.am/p/L-GuMuG7Rg
    http://instagr.am/p/L9o_Q8G7Wb/
    http://instagr.am/p/L99yGEG7eu/
    http://instagr.am/p/L99NTmG7el/
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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    But me dear, that was precisely what had happened: splats, a bunch of step outs from not the most difficult elements in some lousy EXs. And all this in the same show where not only skaters without major titles like Tatsuki and Takahito, but also junior skaters skated better. It's not only Caro or Chan issue, it's a general tendency in FS that has been around for years and it's actually one of many reasons why the popularity of fs shows is declining in some areas.
    Apparently you haven't considered that most of these skaters just came out of a heavy season and all took a long and deserved break. Most of them have not even or only just started their preparations for next season. All of them have changed into new boots. Those are all factors that come into play here. I know that Caro for example hasn't been on the ice much since her last shows in Korea in the beginning of May and she skated brilliantly there.

    I don't think it' s fair to blame skaters like Chan, Caro or Akiko (who didn't seem to have a good skate here either) and say "they just didn't bother to try". That is most definitely not the case, it's the shows being held in mid June where skaters are just starting their preparations for the new season and simply haven't had a lot of proper training time.

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    Chan and Kostner traveled all the way to Japan to perform at DOI and Suzuki just came back from Detroit. I won't blame them if they were feeling tired.

    In the PIW performances aired on TV, Suzuki's Lavender was flawless while Takahashi stepped out 3A and fell in the step sequence in Sweat. I don't think a skater can give a perfect performance in every show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    I am actually worried a little. If they made such a trashy EX, what kind of competitive programs are those Uncles going to create for him? Wilson is working on his SS, is he going to choreo Yuzu's progs too? The teen-boy has never lived overseas, he is there without school and parental supervision. Maybe Ms. Abe should visit the place with some kind of inspection on what is going on. Or JSF can appoint her as an "advisor" in Yuzu's team since now such a position is in fashion.
    Thank you very much for such a detailed review. But - ehh, are you joking here? Those 'Uncles' are both famous and respected choreographers and also respectable people. They do their jobs well. Also, Kurt Browning is a legendary showman (and also artist) - probably the best among figure skaters. I think Hanya and his coach knew what to expect when they turned to him for choreography. Plus, at 17 (and to be 18 this year), Yuzuru is not such a child anymore. I don't think that sexy choreo for a guy of that age is something unacceptable. But a skater has to be a good performer to pull something like that off, because confidence and a sense of freedom is needed to make the public believe in that image too.

    But me dear, that was precisely what had happened: splats, a bunch of step outs from not the most difficult elements in some lousy EXs. And all this in the same show where not only skaters without major titles like Tatsuki and Takahito, but also junior skaters skated better. It's not only Caro or Chan issue, it's a general tendency in FS that has been around for years and it's actually one of many reasons why the popularity of fs shows is declining in some areas. Some top skaters don't bother to work hard in shows, they think that they should be paid just for the appearance with their precious titles, like some wedding generals. Do you work half of your ability and expectations at your work too? And you boss still hasn't fired you? Such attitude of some skaters is not professional. They are paid and paid not cheap. Tickets on fs shows in Japan cost like for the Russian ballet that frequently visit here. I can't imagine that a prima-ballerina would work half of her ability and dance worse than a second-rank dancer of a corps de ballet. It's simply impossible. The reason why Plush is a cash cow is not only because he is a show case with the magnetic connection with the audience. But also because he never plays easy. The same goes about the majority of Japanese skaters, not elite ones only like Dai, but also all others, they consider it as rudeness to the audinece not to even try to do your best.
    Imai skated Pure Imagination, all skaters skated only one program, Akiko too. Footwork of Yuzu's EX was done by Kurt.
    jiggs and mikeko666 are right. It's not like those skaters make mistakes on purpose, the same way as they don't do it on purpose in competitions. It just happens. And no one is ideal and safe from such mistakes. I also don't quite agree with you about the "big tricks" (quads and jump combinations). You forget that for japanese skaters this particular show is a celebration of the next season, a place to show their form, abilities and, in some cases, even their new competitive programs. And japanese skater's view on show skating in general is different from most north american and european skaters view of it. North american and european skaters mostly view shows not as a place to show all their technical capabilities, but rather as an opportunity to show a different - entertainment and/or art - side of skating, and also to just skate with more freedom and joy than they are able to do in competition. As far as I know and remember, that has always been so. And the biggest difference is not in the technical content used in show programs, but rather that, before, it was more about art and now it's more about entertainment.
    Also, Carolina Kostner and Patrick Chan are both skaters especially renowned for their skating skills (even more than for their jumps) - so, their exhibition programs are often construed to better show those skills. If I understand correctly, Chan skated his other gala program to the Muddy Waters (an old blues legend) song 'Mannish Boy' - it's all entertainment and Chan's impressive skating skills. Whereas his 'Elegie' program is more art (+ skating skills). It has no any quads or combinations in it either - and, in my opinion, they're just not needed in that program.

    A "small" note () - I know that the famous russian coach Alexei Mishin considers jumps to be a very important part of figure skating, and his pupils (Plushenko among them) usually do many jumps also in exhibition programs. But at one of the last year's 'Fantasy on Ice' shows (which also takes place in Japan, and where Mishin's pupils were skating too), the only skater to whom he gave a standing ovation was Stephane Lambiel, who had only two easy jumps in his program. That said, I have to wonder - what would you write about Lambiel, if he had performed in this year's 'Dreams on Ice' shows as he was initially scheduled. Because he is one of the rare artists in the current figure skating, but, as I already mentioned, there are only two simple jumps in some of his programs, and sometimes he makes mistakes even in them. At the same time, it would be completely untrue to say that he is not respectful towards his audience, or that he doesn't work really hard. Simply his view on it is different - for him it's not necessarily about including almost competition level elements in his programs, but rather about putting his heart and soul, and his emotions into his performances (of course, sometimes, when he is especially tired from previous shows or long flights, it's harder to do) and into making his programs, where choreography, musicality and/or image, feeling and that which he wants to express with his program are all more important than difficult jumps (although, at the same time, he is one of the rare non asian skaters who sometimes tries to do quads in his show performances). And also about making new and new programs each year, so that he wouldn't have to repeat himself too often, about rising to new challanges in terms of new style, new kind of music, new and difficult moves and new images/characters which he has to show. I am not writing about Lambiel just because I am his fan, but also as an example, because I know all those things about him more than about anyone else. Of course, Lambiel is different than most of those other skaters. But, still, it's not quite right to say that they don't work hard and don't respect the audience just because they don't include difficult jumps in their gala programs, or because they make mistakes. By the way, I forgot to add - the aforementioned Kurt Browning once made a program without jumps called 'Nyah' (I think there was another one, but that's the most famous of them) - now it's a legendary program, and no figure skating fan in their right mind, who knows something about skating, would say that it's an easy program.

    You are right - skaters rarely do quads or jump combinations in shows like the Korean 'All That Skate' or Switzerland's 'Art on Ice', but those are still considered the biggest figure skating shows in the world (another one is China's 'Artistry on Ice'). Despite the lack of difficult jumps those shows are always full (people also from other european countries go to see 'Art on Ice') and it's a honour for skaters to be invited there. And when they go to those shows (especially 'All That Skate'), they know that they have to perform well there - just not necessarily in the sense of technical difficulty.
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    Welcome, Lauravvv! I think I love you already.

    As far as DOI is concerned, few here have actually seen the shows or videos of the performances. How can a discussion/debate about it be carried out based on one person's report and conclusive opinions on figure skating in general be extrapolated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Welcome, Lauravvv! I think I love you already.

    As far as DOI is concerned, few here have actually seen the shows or videos of the performances. How can a discussion/debate about it be carried out based on one person's report and conclusive opinions on figure skating in general be extrapolated?
    Thank you . Why is that?

    You're right. But how can I pass the opportunity to express my opinion on the matter ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    And japanese skater's view on show skating in general is different from most north american and european skaters view of it.
    That's why they sell full houses unlike their NA colleagues.
    That said, I have to wonder - what would you write about Lambiel, if he had performed in this year's 'Dreams on Ice' shows as he was initially scheduled.
    I am not sure I follow. What does my comments about the current WC have anything to do with a retired WC like Lambiel? I am highly likely will see Kulik in October, and I don't expect any quad from him there. That's first. Second, I doubt that the show skills of Lambiel can be compared to Chan. But feel free to have another opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    You're right. But how can I pass the opportunity to express my opinion on the matter ?
    Your opinion is not based solely on the one show as reported and is so well articulated. I admire great skaters and think they deserve respect for all they have accomplished with talents and hard work that few would put in. I do appreciate and am thankful for reports from personal attendances but I prefer to form an opinion from actually watching it.

    Thank you . Why is that?
    See above, and I think you "get" the skaters, especially great ones like Lambert, Browning, and current World Champs Chan and Kostner.

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