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    I was just watching Track and Field and US 100M sprinter Tyler Gay had the identical injury as Alissa, surgery last July, and won his heat today with a 10.00 time. With sprinting you really have no margin for racing with an injury, so I'm optimistic for Alissa to come back 100%. However, this was Gay's first meet since his surgery (50 weeks ago) and Alissa does not have the luxury of being out a year if she wants to compete at 2013 Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I was just watching Track and Field and US 100M sprinter Tyler Gay had the identical injury as Alissa, surgery last July, and won his heat today with a 10.00 time. With sprinting you really have no margin for racing with an injury, so I'm optimistic for Alissa to come back 100%. However, this was Gay's first meet since his surgery (50 weeks ago) and Alissa does not have the luxury of being out a year if she wants to compete at 2013 Worlds.
    at least it would enable her to make a run for Sochi. She might be able to use the comeback clause to get 2 GP events if necessary.

    I think she is best taking next season off- seriously. If she re-injures herself next season she is out for good.

    Not to mention having her out of the running for the pre-Olympic worlds which determine critical Oly spots- you know, it can only help...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I was just watching Track and Field and US 100M sprinter Tyler Gay had the identical injury as Alissa, surgery last July, and won his heat today with a 10.00 time. With sprinting you really have no margin for racing with an injury, so I'm optimistic for Alissa to come back 100%. However, this was Gay's first meet since his surgery (50 weeks ago) and Alissa does not have the luxury of being out a year if she wants to compete at 2013 Worlds.
    the clock would be ticking and unlike Tyson Gay ( I think that is who you mean) how you skate and land things or do things counts a lot. Yes, Tyson has to work on technique to run but Alyssa has to look good n o matter how she takes off on that jump etc. I hope it works out for her - didn't Michelle and Tara have issues and they never really came back (similar injuries)

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    Alyssa is a beautiful young woman - graceful, gracious, etc. but I have always white-knuckled the armchair watching her. It seems like she's had a good skate about every 5th time out (this isn't factual -just guessing) and in between she self-destructs. I don't know whether it's a lack of focus, her nerves, or what, but I've never found it enjoyable to watch her. I'm always waiting for her to fall. I really hope that she retires and gets on with her life. It's hard enough to come back from hip surgery but she would be coming back to a history of less than stellar performances. Seeing her "live" in San Jose this year just was almost painful.

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    ^ True, but have you ever seen a skater who keeps on trying like Alissa? She goes for every jump every time out, win or lose. She's the Little Engine That Could. ("And you can do 'most any-thing if you just think you can!" )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    ^ True, but have you ever seen a skater who keeps on trying like Alissa? She goes for every jump every time out, win or lose. She's the Little Engine That Could. ("And you can do 'most any-thing if you just think you can!" )
    This reminds me of one of my favorite poems as a child.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shel Silverstein
    The Little Blue Engine

    The little blue engine looked up at the hill.
    His light was weak, his whistle was shrill.
    He was tired and small, and the hill was tall,
    And his face blushed red as he softly said,
    “I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.”

    So he started up with a chug and a strain,
    And he puffed and pulled with might and main.
    And slowly he climbed, a foot at a time,
    And his engine coughed as he whispered soft,
    “I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.”

    With a squeak and a creak and a toot and a sigh,
    With an extra hope and an extra try,
    He would not stop — now he neared the top —
    And strong and proud he cried out loud,
    “I think I can, I think I can, I think I can!”

    He was almost there, when — CRASH! SMASH! BASH!
    He slid down and mashed into engine hash
    On the rocks below... which goes to show
    If the track is tough and the hill is rough,
    THINKING you can just ain’t enough!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    Alyssa is a beautiful young woman - graceful, gracious, etc. but I have always white-knuckled the armchair watching her. It seems like she's had a good skate about every 5th time out (this isn't factual -just guessing) and in between she self-destructs. I don't know whether it's a lack of focus, her nerves, or what, but I've never found it enjoyable to watch her. I'm always waiting for her to fall. I really hope that she retires and gets on with her life. It's hard enough to come back from hip surgery but she would be coming back to a history of less than stellar performances. Seeing her "live" in San Jose this year just was almost painful.
    Oh no. You must have been writhing in pain and suffering then at world's this year with the way Alyssa skated - didn't the Canadian girl almost beat her or did they beat her.- like a koala giving birth to an elephant - oh the pain and agony!

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    Well I guess she tries but sometimes she looks like she is petrified. Like bambi facing a cr in the dark. I hope it is just appearance.

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    Sadly that petrified look isn't just appearance. It's the same with Mirai. It doesn't exactly install confidence when you watch them. You end up holding your breathe with each jump.

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    Yeah, Worlds was painful! When Alyssa is "on" she's definitely a force to be reckoned with. It's just so rare.

    Mirai is another headcase and I sure wish they would get her some help with that. It's like she had that growth spurt and lost her confidence. I love watching her skate but gone is the devil-may-care light-hearted always-smiling Mirai that first came on the scene. I often wonder if maybe Frank Carroll has been so interested in others that he's sort of neglected that aspect of her skating. It seems like she needs alot of support and I'm not so sure how nurturing he is. I would actually like to see her with Yuka Sato and Jason Dundgen.

    And I do have to give props to Alyssa for trying but I do wish she'd retire and let someone else take her place. It's time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    Alyssa is a beautiful young woman - graceful, gracious, etc. but I have always white-knuckled the armchair watching her. It seems like she's had a good skate about every 5th time out (this isn't factual -just guessing) and in between she self-destructs. I don't know whether it's a lack of focus, her nerves, or what, but I've never found it enjoyable to watch her. I'm always waiting for her to fall. I really hope that she retires and gets on with her life. It's hard enough to come back from hip surgery but she would be coming back to a history of less than stellar performances. Seeing her "live" in San Jose this year just was almost painful.
    You're right: it isn't factual. No one qualifies for the Grand Prix Final, let alone wins it, by skating well once every five times. This notion that Czisny is horribly inconsistent has at this point become a self-perpetuating myth, and noskates post is evidence of that. Her good skates are ignored as "exceptions" while her bad skates are used to say, "See--look how inconsistent she is!" Every skater is to some degree "inconsistent"; no one skates at the exact same level every time. But that label ("inconsistent") seems to stick to some skaters, like Czisny, more than others, for some reason that I've never fully understood.

    I would also object to the notion that Czisny should decide to retire because some figure skating observers get nervous when she skates. That does not seem like a good reason to give up what you've worked your whole life for.
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    Wow Pepe - didn't mean to foul your Wheaties! I think the year Alyssa won the GPF was a banner year for her! I would say it was the exception! And that's the first time I've said one of her skates was an exception! She's had some beautiful skates. Check here if you want to see her results over the years:

    http://figureskatersonline.com/aliss.../site/results/

    But, here's her National finishes: 12, 7, 3, 9, 1, 10, 1, 2 (starting in 2003/2004)
    World finishes: 6 (Jrs) 6 (Jrs) 15, 11, 5, 22
    I would hazard to say her inconsistency isn't just a myth. And I didn't bother to document the other competitions. She's had ups and downs.
    And I think it's okay for someone to suggest a skater should retire when they're 25 years old and coming off of hip surgery! If she comes back 100% I'll be the first to be happy for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    But, here's her National finishes: 12, 7, 3, 9, 1, 10, 1, 2 (starting in 2003/2004)
    World finishes: 6 (Jrs) 6 (Jrs) 15, 11, 5, didn't skate this year because of injury
    Yes she did, she fininshed 22nd.

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    I wonder if noskates was mocking Alyssa's world placement this year - you know subtle humour or mocking??? Some may say she skated like she was injured or like she wasn't at worlds because she was injured. Still such a beautiful skater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post

    But, here's her National finishes: 12, 7, 3, 9, 1, 10, 1, 2 (starting in 2003/2004)
    World finishes: 6 (Jrs) 6 (Jrs) 15, 11, 5, didn't skate this year because of injury

    I would hazard to say her inconsistency isn't just a myth. And I didn't bother to document the other competitions. She's had ups and downs.
    And I think it's okay for someone to suggest a skater should retire when they're 25 years old and coming off of hip surgery! If she comes back 100% I'll be the first to be happy for her.
    No need to guess - the numbers speak for themselves.

    Again, Czisny has a lot more defenders than someone like Flatt does so tread carefully with any criticism of Alyssa

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