All Things Ice Dance: Russian

**colleen o'neill** · 06-13-2012, 01:50 PM

.. Or, their love could never be , because he was possessed by a demon sock puppet .

Dragonlady..It's OK ,I've picked myself up off the floor , now..

I was sorry to see I/K go to Morozov , and now , the same goes for P/G , if the rumour is true ..

**Dragonlady** · 06-13-2012, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by colleen o'neill

I was sorry to see I/K go to Morozov , and now , the same goes for P/G , if the rumour is true ..

Me too. I don't know P&G so I don't have a comment there other than I'm always sorry to see anyone go to Morosov.

I'm willing to bet real money that the Russian federation are going to send I&K to Igor. Only Chock & Bates are going with him so that would make I&K his top team. Moscow is very disappointed with I&K's lack of progress and with V&M, D&W and the Shibs gone, why not give them to the man who swept the podium at Worlds and engineered the fastest rise in the history of ice-dance, to get I&K ready for Socci. Plus Piseev said he'd give Igor anything he needed to work for Russia.

**Macassar88** · 06-13-2012, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonlady

Me too. I don't know P&G so I don't have a comment there other than I'm always sorry to see anyone go to Morosov.

I'm willing to bet real money that the Russian federation are going to send I&K to Igor. Only Chock & Bates are going with him so that would make I&K his top team. Moscow is very disappointed with I&K's lack of progress and with V&M, D&W and the Shibs gone, why not give them to the man who swept the podium at Worlds and engineered the fastest rise in the history of ice-dance, to get I&K ready for Socci. Plus Piseev said he'd give Igor anything he needed to work for Russia.

I don't know
They may keep IK at Morozov since they did have a two spot improvement at worlds. Anyway all the best coaching in the world won't help them until they grow up and start working. Lazy practice isn't going to he them results. Say what you want about bobrova and soloviev but they have a damn good work ethic.

**gmyers** · 06-13-2012, 03:44 PM

P&G did improve from there second GP event to Russian nantionals but even if they came in second in TES at Russian nationals in the free dance that is not actually impressive. A level 2 was involved in them getting second in TES there. I/K's peaks were higher under Morozov then they were with Zhulin even if they displayed some of the same problems with low levels sometimes. The low level problem is an epidemic in russian dance. No matter how hard a team is working or who their coaches are. It's a fundamental and systemic problem across all teams.

**Mattieu** · 06-15-2012, 12:55 PM

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**dorispulaski** · 06-18-2012, 04:08 AM

I never did figure out why Paganini needed a red glove; I took a guess that either it was meant to be a violin version of the Red Shoes, where Guerreiro had to keep playing as long as the glove was stuck on his hand, or that he had played his fingers bloody, or some such, or else that Pushkash was bothering him while playing and he stabbed her.

In some ways, the sock puppet story is more plausible, for sure

Russia apparently has no Champs Camp censorship program for costumes and story lines

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**noidont** · 06-19-2012, 04:48 PM

Well, for me I/K is THE Russian couple. Elena has striking musicality, something B/S doesn't have. I don't mind Morozov as far as they can stay consistent. As of R/T, they need to increase their speed and lightness to move up. Of the three junior couples my favorite is actually Yanovskaia/Mozgov.

Something I always wonder is how Monko/Khalavin survives. Their lift positions are just atrocious and it's not really improvable.

**Redstone** · 06-19-2012, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by noidont

Well, for me I/K is THE Russian couple. Elena has striking musicality, something B/S doesn't have. I don't mind Morozov as far as they can stay consistent.

All other things aside, he did cleaned their skating and was the person to actually make them work. In the first half of the season, AFAIK, they were working on their general physical condition and it somewhat was repayed withe Euro bronze and the Worlds 5th place.

**Macassar88** · 07-28-2012, 11:08 AM

I noticed that there isn't a Russian Ice Dance thread, and with all the amazing Russian Ice Dance teams, I thought that they deserved a thread once the news started coming in.

To start it off, here is a link to Bobrova and Soloviev's new SD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVBXb...ature=youtu.be

**dorispulaski** · 07-28-2012, 02:16 PM

Macassar88, Do you what the name is of the music they are using?

I think this choreo suits them better than what their previous coach was doing for them, for sure.

Also this was posted on youtube recently.

Zenkova-Sinitsin SD (I believe they are staying in juniors)
http://youtu.be/77hdUmAkINg

**Macassar88** · 07-28-2012, 02:38 PM

I have no idea of either music cut, but at least they aren't doing a dramatic Yankee Polka (although Sinitsina and Zhiganshin will probably do that so we won't lose out completely...)

And I noticed that her posture is improved and that their choreography goes with the music more. I love the way that the first set of twizzles ends with the music perfectly. I also like their new twizzles. They are much more in sync and smoother whereas I felt like in the past their twizzles were pretty rocky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XWmY...tailpage#t=72s (2012 Russian Nats) If you look at their twizzles, especially the second set, it feels like they shifting their movement too much from the front of the blade to the back of the blade and back.
Obviously there are still improvements to be made such as the beginning and end as well as the music change, but it's still very early in the season and their polka SD has more of a polka feel now than their Latin SD had Latin feel at the end of the season. Also, I'd like to see them get a harder step sequence - Doris, do you know what this one would get? It feels like a level 2 or even level 1, but I'm just looking at level of apparent complexity, not the actual steps since I don't know enough about them to tell. Also, they need to smooth their lift out a bit.