I am doing my happy dance right now. Advisory position sounds a lot better to me than what had been speculated before the announcement.
So Lori is not doing Dai's programs. I am thinking he may use Kenji Miyamoto.
I am doing my happy dance right now. Advisory position sounds a lot better to me than what had been speculated before the announcement.
So Lori is not doing Dai's programs. I am thinking he may use Kenji Miyamoto.
PROBABLY NEVER I hope.
When asked if Morozov would choreograph his 2012-13 programs, Takahashi demurred.
"Probably not this season," he said. "At this time, we have not decided who will choreograph my new programs."
Daisuke......ask Tom Dickson and/or David Wilson! You won't regret it!
Hm, I do wonder what happened with Lori.
My guess would be Miyamoto and maybe Camerlengo again.
Originally Posted by deedee1
very belated thank you to deedee for the detailed translations re: dai and ms. nagamitsu especially.
shocked to hear about morozov. personally, i'm disappointed that i may not get to see a lori nichol program for dai this coming season, though the icenetwork article says dai and advisers have simply not decided.
i'm very confused. if morozov is not primary coach, but he's advising... is dai waiting on morozov's input before committing to choreographers for next season? is that what 'adviser' morozov contributes?
if like let's talk says this is russia's plan B, i kind of like it.
i remember leonova saying in an interview that unfortunately miki ando no longer skates in morozov's group, and now... months later... after reading leonova's happy tweet, i can't help but think that morozov has provided another (even more) inspiring model for the skaters who train in the morozov group.
morozov's quotes surprise me. it reads like he's... how can i say this... figuratively bowing ... not to just dai but to the japanese skating world. sounds to me like someone seeking to make amends, ingratiate, or smooth things over with a very traditional asian counterpart. this is calculated towards the japanese media and public, IMO, unlike the morozov quotes i've read in the past.
*sigh* as long as the decision is dai's... i'm fine with it. after all, i survived MK's coach-less olympic season... ^__^
P.S.
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/new...003475620.html
unless my eyes deceive me that says *gold* medal. it really must be russia's plan B, after all
Last edited by skfan; 06-15-2012 at 04:54 PM.
I do not like Morozov as a choreographer, but I think he is an ok coach. Look what he did with Leonova. She was very excited to work with him and he seems to have given her more confidence which means better skating and more lively performances.
Morosov is a terrific coach in terms of instilling confidence and consistency in his skaters. Takahashi credits him for that and I'd argue Leonova and Amodio improved in that regard as well (though Amodio always had insane confidence). I think what Takahashi loses, though, is more then he gains. Only time will tell.
Yeah funny how big $$$ can change someone's attitude. I am sure Miki's WC bonus to her coach team awarded by JSF can't hurt either.
First Hanyu goes to Orser, then Daisuke goes to Morozov. More example of JSF and friends' attempt lobbying for an OGM while trying to 'kit' their top contenders with the 'name' team. Less to do with the quality of work on the ice than about establishing what looks good on paper. Easily exploiting IJS, who's judges are conditioned to study more on the past than judging what is right infront of them due to a default weakness of a human judging system and latency effect, with a scale of value that is entirely elementary and easily manipulated.
Who says money and politics can't buy winners? This sport and the tactics by its most successful federations and winners in the past 2 years at least proves it can, or certainly it wouldn't stop people blatantly trying. People who had been disillusioned with the sport before and think it is corrupted and fixed, things like this just makes it easier to believe so.
now we can begin to guess who'll be his choreographer……at least not Morozov or Lori this season,seems good news?
I'm ready for that! Let's blame these off-season craziness on sunspot activity peak in 2012.Thanks a lot, Blue.(I do not know what to tell you in return, in order to comfort you on this one, though.)
If both Patrick and Dai will not be able to get good results at the end of 2012-13 season, let's find someone to blame for it.
So Takahashi is having a second thought on choreographer for this coming season after listening to Morozov. Sounds like Morozov will do his choreograph in Olympic season, just like what I've thought.
I don't understand why so many people forgot all about Morozov's brilliantness in the past? Maybe Morozov and Takahashi could bring out the best for each other again. At least Takahashi thought so. Otherwise, he wouldn't have decided to go back to him.
Good, so now I know if Chan won over Takahashi, Chan earned it. If Takahashi won over Chan, it will be the result of politicking and conspiracy.I would go further. Dai is Russia's Plan B. In case if Plush injuries or can't get an OGM due to whatever reason, the Kremlin would rather deliver it to Morozov's favourite pupil than to a Chanadian. It was all planned.
Last edited by Bluebonnet; 06-17-2012 at 02:43 AM.
Russia don't like Canada so they won't let they win?NO,in political way they have many thing to exchange.
Why they support Dai to win if Plushenko can't?Japanese figure skating federation doesn't have much power in skating world.but canada do.
Russian federation can support canada on male and ice dance and then canada support their female and pair,perfect,right?
I was actually very depressed on Takahashi working with Lori Nichol. I thought Nichol might bring out a nearly unbeatable Takahashi this coming season. This news of Takahashi isn't going to work with Nichol is a relief from my Patrick fan point of view.Now this coming season is everybody's game.
Last edited by Bluebonnet; 06-17-2012 at 02:42 AM.
Thank you so much for letting me know about the article.
I went to IN and read the whole article. I feel much better/calmer for the first time since the breaking of this news. Thanks again, SkateFiguring.
I agree with everything above, in its context, except that I am not sure that Takahashi will let Morozov do the choreography. (Bluebonnet, you are usually right though and nothing surprises me anymore.) Takahashi always struck me as a skater very astute as to what works and what doesn't, and he is of unusually strong spine for a skater. That Morozov is not going to be his coach, but an adviser, suggests that Takahashi is still in the driver's seat and up to form. I give one to Takahashi for putting limits on Morozov. As well, knowing how well Takahashi can skate to the audience, I think if anyone does, he of all people knows that Morozov's choreography comes off as a little too (okay, perhaps a way too) cheesy. I can't believe that Takahashi would let that happen.I'm ready for that! Let's blame these off-season craziness on sunspot activity peak in 2012.
So Takahashi is having a second thought on choreographer for this coming season after listening to Morozov. Sounds like Morozov will do his choreograph in Olympic season, just like what I've thought.
I don't understand why so many people forgot all about Morozov's brilliantness in the past? Maybe Morozov and Takahashi could bring out the best for each other again. At least Takahashi thought so. Otherwise, he wouldn't have decided to go back to him.
Good, so now I know if Chan won over Takahashi, Chan earned it. If Takahashi won over Chan, it will be the result of politiking and conspiracy.
Another aspect of the coaching modification by Takahashi is that Takahashi's competitive skating career has to entering its sunset phase. Patrick Chan is young, and Yuzuru Hanyu is barely out of being a toddler. Dai knows that he has to work really hard over the next couple of years to be competitive with those two, but he does not have as much of a safety net for mistakes as do the kids (if either Hanyu or Chan have a bad year, as unlikely as that may be, both can bounce back for Sochi). If Takahashi has a bad year, it could be more devastating and possibly the end. I got the impression from Takahashi's interviews (his saying that if he didn't improve, Hanyu would be better than him), he is pulling out all the stops to do whatever it takes to end at the top of his own game and the sport as a whole.
I suspect that the real showdown over the next two years is going to be between Chan and Hanyu, and I think that a lot of other people suspect the same. Takahashi wants to and is determined to prove everyone wrong, and will take whatever he can get, even from Morozov, to do that. And he might because he is one tough competitor.
The other factor, as alluded so wisely by OS168, it cannot help but be thought that outside influences (including money) probably played a big role in this re-union of forces. Reading Morozov's interviews, one certainly gets the impression that this is a guy who has never been one to eat crow on the basis of anything. He kind of appears to be eating crow here so we are all left wondering what the secret ingredient is.
Still, Takahashi and Morozov having any type of skating relationship again has to set a new high achieved on the wonky scale.
LOL! You crack me up!
Let me try to take you seriously:
Japan has the most private money/support via the hottest market in the world while Russia has the most government money behind figure skating, which is most popular in these countries. Canada has pitiful private and public $upport for the sport which has also suffered a decline in popularity, with a meager market, taking into consideration also of its small population size. It has also one of the North America's measly two votes compared to the European power bloc of votes. WTH does the myth of Canada being a political power come from and maintained?Why they support Dai to win if Plushenko can't?Japanese figure skating federation doesn't have much power in skating world.but canada do.
Patrick Chan and V/M are champions because of their talents, personal dedication, hard work, with family and other private/personal support along with Skate Canada. Russian support has never been a part of their success and is not needed now or in 2014. Conversely, foreign federations can claim no credit on the excellence of the Russian female skaters or their Pairs.Russian federation can support canada on male and ice dance and then canada support their female and pair,perfect,right?
If politicking can assure Canada a Ladies Worlds medal, then I'd believe in it.
Meanwhile, it's Takahashi who is seeking to benefit from Russian association.
eta: So what does Morozov get out of this? I think he wants some Olympic glory since he has not had any Men skater win an Olympic medal under his tutelage. He can't get Chan or Hanyu so Takahashi is his best hope especially sine he had ties and access to reach out to him. Could dropping Lori be part of the deal which Takahashi alluded to as changed circumstance? It's quite something for Dai to give up as he had not had an opportunity to work with the champion making choreographer before.
I also wonder about Amodio in all of this. Fernandez left Morozov because he favoured Amodio and gave him more attention. Now Morozov has publicly announced that Takahashi is his favorite student, the most talented and the OGM contender. How is Amodio taking this and how will he take it during the time leading up to Sochi Olympics?
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 06-16-2012 at 02:10 PM.
I doubt it's a question of money only. It's not like Nico-chan is a poor boy. And it's not like only his selfish ego does the talking. To have an OC is a healthy ambition of any coach and a professional. Moreover, Morozov was always obsessed with Dai. That's why he got so upset when their cooperation ended.The Kremlin is open to another deal- they will give Chan an OM on two conditions: 1. Chan will fall no more than 5 times in total. 2. David Dore has to retire before Sochi.Good, so now I know if Chan won over Takahashi, Chan earned it. If Takahashi won over Chan, it will be the result of politiking and conspiracy.
Well, of course Russians, with their passion to artistry, art and education, adore Dai. Why shouldn't they. But that's beside the point. What they surely don't want is to be the country where one more scandalious Olympics happen. That's why they don't want one more controversial OGM. They wish to host the Games with fair play and true champions.
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