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    Weir to do quads in both programs; hires Morozov for step seq

    I don't find his thread,so open a new thread.if there is one,please combine it.thank you.
    It's a long interview from a chinese website,and I think people here may have interest on some informations in it.my english isn't good enough,so I won't translate the whole article,just some tips about figure skating.
    here's the link to the entire interview:http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2012-06-..._bid=101327229

    ·he didn't want to compete until he was invited to the American nations,and see the male skater's situation.he think he's still competitive,but he doesn't come back for the medals.
    ·he didn't get well with the American federation,but they support him very much this time.they give him 2 GPs.He think that's because they think he's good to spread figure skating in America
    ·his SP music if from lady gaga,and LP is Phonix.
    ·he and his coach have made SP and LP,just need to add some details in the summer.maybe he'll work with David Wilson on the LP,if they has time.
    ·he will add Quads in both of SP and LP
    ·he have hired Morozov to help him on step sequence
    ·some of the skaters show how difficult figure skating can be,but he growed under the old rules.he want to let everybody think they can skate too.he want to show "smooth" perfomance,not(the opposite)
    ·he won't be a coach or choreographer.he saw his coach got to the rink on 7:30 everyday through the years,wearing coat,shiver with cold.that's not what he wants.he will compete on the Olympics for the 3rd time,and then think what to do next.
    ·now figure skating for him is not a "life-and-death" thing.and his coach also accept that,he has husband,his own thing beside figure skating.so they get on better now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuCN View Post
    my english isn't good enough,so I won't translate the whole article,just some tips about figure skating.

    ·he will add Quads in both of SP and LP

    ·some of the skaters show how difficult figure skating can be,but he growed under the old rules.he want to let everybody think they can skate too.he want to show "smooth" perfomance,not(the opposite)

    ·now figure skating for him is not a "life-and-death" thing.and his coach also accept that,he has husband,his own thing beside figure skating.so they get on better now.
    LuCN, thank you so much for the translation! Don't worry about your English. You are doing GREAT!!

    Wow, Johnny is coming back for sure, with harder jump contents and seemingly pressure-free state of mind!
    Ca'nt wait to see how the US Nats is gonna like!

    Johnny, you can teach 'how to skate beautifully and smoothly to the music while reaching out to the audience' to younger CoP prodigies who concentrate on only adding transitions and steps in/out of every jumps or busy in counting revolutions on spins.

    Daisuke and Brian resumed themselves last season, Jeremy and Tomas already stated to keep competing until Sochi, and Johnny is coming back. I feel so sad after learning Kevin Van der Perren and Contesti retired. Glad Mens figure skating is still fascinating to me.
    Now I WANT Stephan Lambiel come back!

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    it makes more sense for him to work with Morosov on steps, I couldn't see him using him for full choreography... really wish he'd get a full time choreographer that isn't his coach, but it is what it is. thanks for the info, LuCN!

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    I don't think Johnny skated as well, just before stepping away, as he did early on in his career. That seems to be opposite of the norm, and it's only my observation having looked at his youtube videos. I'm not fortunate enough like you all to go to the competitions My opinion is that Johnny let his 'expression' of himself get in the way of his 'execution' on the ice.

    I would love to see LESS of the over-the-top animated stuff Johnny was doing the last time around, and see him become more of a fierce skater. Put some fear into Evan!

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    My opinion is that Johnny let his 'expression' of himself get in the way of his 'execution' on the ice. I thoroughly agree with this comment. My hope is that with marraige and a little more maturity that Johnny has settled back into his skating. In my opinion, there isn't a more graceful male skater out there right now. At Nationals in Portland I was watching him putz around the practice rink, thinking, etc. and then he would all of a sudden go into a step sequence or a set up for a jump and he became transformed. Every move was fluid and soft with no hard edges! He's still capable of that! I think Johnny used to skate for himself and didn't necessarily touch the audience (other than those of us who love him) and perhaps all this show work he's done since he stopped competing has made that part of his skating evolve.

    I don't care for the over-the-top costumes, the feathers, the glitz and the weird hairdos. He really doesn't need that. He should let his skating speak for him and save the other stuff for off the ice. I also don't think Nina Petrenko is a great choreographer! I would love to see Johnny work with David Wilson or EVEN Lori Nichols. Heresy maybe, but it would be alot more interesting than some of the things he's done with the Russians.

    I don't think Lysacek is a factor in competitive skating anymore. Johnny's competition is Patrick Chan, Brian Joubert and a host of Japanese men. JMO

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    the article and other article didn't mention Petrenko at all.only mention his long time coach,the old Russia woman(I forget how to spell her name.)

    well,actually if he want to compete in international competitions and Olympics,other american guys are his main competitors IMO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    At Nationals in Portland I was watching him putz around the practice rink, thinking, etc. and then he would all of a sudden go into a step sequence or a set up for a jump and he became transformed. Every move was fluid and soft with no hard edges! He's still capable of that!
    Johnny is capable of doing many things, on their own. He is not capable of doing them all in one program. His strategy seems to be to avoid "visible" errors to get the audience on his side. Thus he tends to water down his choreography to have a clean and graceful skate. It remains to be seen if he is capable of both high level footwork and clean uncheated jumps, especially if he is going for a quad in each program, which I don't think he has ever done. However, Morozov may just be the perfect advisor for him to have the right step sequence and still do his jumps.

    I don't think Lysacek is a factor in competitive skating anymore. Johnny's competition is Patrick Chan, Brian Joubert and a host of Japanese men. JMO
    First he has make it out of the US Nationals. Despite what he says, he won't go to Worlds or the Olympics if he does not medal in the US.

    He says they (himself and his coach) have already constructed both programs except for the details waiting to be filled in with the help of expert choreographers. He wants to hire Wilson to complete the LP if there is time. I don't know if that's how Wilson and other choreographers work.

    If Johnny is the one to rejuvenate figure skating in the US, its popularity should not have declined while he was actively competing.

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    I didn't know Boitano was considered nerdy. But nerdy beats pablum any day.

    I was going to say like katarna Witt but she had a personality and diva status;
    Not to mention beauty.

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    Maybe Johnny will actually try quads this time now that a "<" is worth more than a 2A. It's a consideration to keep in mind that if it wasn't squeaky before the rule changes (2 footed usually netted the equivalent of today's "<<" ) it wasn't worth doing.

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    1. Oda has the 4CC title from 2006 as well.

    2. Is he working hard to get his competitive mettle back up? At this point, we have his own words and some practice videos. Lysacek also gave us his own words and some practice videos last season. And Jonny's actions in the past suggest he likes to talk big, it's not specious to question those words.

    3. I'm not eager to have Lysacek back, but Plushenko.... most assuredly. Not because I'm a fan of his skating or even his personality. But because the man is a legend and a giant. Because being the captain of the Russian team and winning the first team figure skating event at the Olympics is something I think would be marvelous.

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    Skatefiguring - interesting uTubes. But I have a question. Wouldn't Johnny's coaches and choreographers see this and make adjustments? Don't they get feedback from the judges or the ISU or whomever on how they were scored in major competitions and what they lost points on? Seems to me if someone is going to the trouble of hiring a choreographer just to work on footwork, etc. etc. that getting this kind of feedback would be crucial if not absolutely required! I know it was filmed 4 years ago but were Johnny's programs the only ones critiqued in this manner? And who sees these?

    And I guess by way of explanation where I'm coming from - I don't care for Evan for example. I was very happy he won the OGM for the US and as payback for the years of practice, etc. But to me he was all flailing arms and robotic execution. He seemed cold and not interested in the audience - just going from trick to trick and methodically performing his program. Was never really a fan of Katarina Witt's either for different reasons but she clearly had "it!" Whatever "it" is and she was an amazing performer. Having said that, I've been sitting here thinking what is it that makes me like one skater over another. Clearly I don't have the knowledge of all the ins and outs of judging like some of you do. I look at a performance and find it either pleasing, WOW!, or ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz - with a few spots in between. Kurt Browning had "it" in every thing he did. He laid it down on the ice but he also had the personality and the panache and was original. His Raggidon program was masterful in exhibition. His Casablanca one of my favorites EVER. I don't enjoy a skater who looks clearly choreographed and doesn't bring any personality to the program - doesn't feel the music with their whole body. In my opinion, Daisuke hits every mark but I don't have a connection with him. I could watch Patrick Chan all freakin' day and never get tired of his interpretations. When Jeremy Abbott is on - he's magical. But this is the first year I've felt that way about him. His SP was genius (thank you Benjie Schwimmer) and his LP was mesmerizing because he helped choreograph it and obviously felt the music. So why am I rambling? Because I still think Johnny Weir is one of the most graceful male skaters on the planet - ever! I don't care if his footwork is marginally easy or his transitions are simple.....he entertains me. I wish he would wear a starkly black costume without a sequin or a feather and just skate to a familiar lyrical piece that doesn't reek of angst or some hidden meaning. Just let his skating talk for him. I know that will never happen but..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    Skatefiguring - interesting uTubes. But I have a question. Wouldn't Johnny's coaches and choreographers see this and make adjustments? Don't they get feedback from the judges or the ISU or whomever on how they were scored in major competitions and what they lost points on? Seems to me if someone is going to the trouble of hiring a choreographer just to work on footwork, etc. etc. that getting this kind of feedback would be crucial if not absolutely required! I know it was filmed 4 years ago but were Johnny's programs the only ones critiqued in this manner? And who sees these?
    The video is from ISU educational DVD for judges. Different skaters were used for examples without being named. E.g. Buttle and (16 year old) Chan were much used as examples of superior transitions and footwork. I think they mostly used retired skaters for negative critiques and the Russian federation protested successfully to have Plushenko removed when he unretired.

    There is a matter of skills and ability in choreographing for a skater, or else everybody would skate level 4 footwork and jump quads. Johnny tends to water down more complex choreo in order to skate clean without visible errors (a 6.0 mentality). With his carriage and flow, his skates can be indeed beautiful to watch and cause fans' uproar when he gets docked for Edge or UR and receives low Transition and other PCS marks.

    These days the Worlds podium contenders need both high level footwork and jumps. Abbott certainly has the ability when he is on but his nerves almost always get to him at major competitions. But he always keeps his footwork and attempts the hard jumps and his deservedly high PCS holds him up when his jumps fail him. That's why Chan is so formidable - both his TES and PCS are at reliably highest levels.

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    Ahhh, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Maybe Johnny will actually try quads this time now that a "<" is worth more than a 2A. It's a consideration to keep in mind that if it wasn't squeaky before the rule changes (2 footed usually netted the equivalent of today's "<<" ) it wasn't worth doing.
    Hasn't ISU just decreed a mandatory -3 GOE for 2-footed landing? I have trouble accessing the new SOV table from ISU these days to verify that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I didn't know Boitano was considered nerdy.
    Look up his "Wild Elephants" program (or watch his cooking show)... definition of NERD... but it's a cute nerd.

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