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Thread: Plushenko to Skate Romeo and Juliet Program

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    I guess he can be Juliet when he does a Biellman!

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    Romeo and Juliet is a story of young love. Plushenko should have done it ten years ago as a plausible impetuous young lad in love.

    I don't know which 30 year old have done the program in Pairs and Dance. I would actually have less qualm about an older couple (mid 20s or older) performing it as it would be theatrical as Olympia said. Without a partner, then a 14 year old girl is the love object per original story. Variations of the story such as West Side Story don't have Juliet so young and would have been more open to a great range of age for the roles.

    Of course, I don't know if Plushenko is actually going to portray Romeo. I hope not.

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    I just can't imagine him plowing around the ice doing quad upon quad skating to that beautiful music - no matter whose version it is.

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    Totmianina/Marinin were 24/29 when they skated to R&J.

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    Speaking of Shakespeare heroes, I think Plushenko could pull off a good Hamlet, but he wouldn't want to do it. Hamlet is not a lover and is more mature than Romeo. Shostakovich composed great music for the movie Hamlet. It's pretty gloomy though.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuuocHoKvsw

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    To me, this whole conversation is silly. As DianaSelene says in post 13, Plushenko will not be "portraying" anyone, he will be competing in a skating contest, with musical accompaniment.

    In this performance, is he "portraying" a crime boss? ("All the others can forget about the gold medal. Just sit back and watch a master at work" -- the Eurosport guys.) Maybe he should have skated to "The Untouchables."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajp5xglwb0k

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    Klimova & Ponomarenko - http://youtu.be/roIjwsfWnP0
    Anissina & Peizerat - http://youtu.be/N4Wqpc4xL5Q
    Gregory & Petukhov - http://youtu.be/XCOK3ilXF3Q
    Kurt Browning - I think it was his 1991 LP?

    just a few I could think of that were done by folks in their mid 20s or older... it's not creepy.

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    well,I think most programs nowadays don't have a "story" or "role" in it.skaters just use music as a background,obey the rule...so how old is Plushenko is not very important...

    after all,Kenji Miyamoto is a genius choreographer,I believe if the program isn't watered down by Mishin like before,it will be a good program...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Normally I'd agree with you, SF, but this is the magic of theater: if it's done right, the age melts away. i know that the Zeffirelli movie (the one with the Rota music) cast young teenagers in the leads to match Shakespeare's original intent, but two of the best performances of this pair were Margot Fonteyn and Rudolf Nureyev in the ballet (with Prokofiev's music), and (I finally got to see this!) the old MGM movie with a thirty-year-old Norma Shearer and a forty-year-old Leslie Howard. (In the ballet, Fonteyn, older than Nureyev by quite a bit, was at least in her forties.) There's a magic realm in which these portrayals work perfectly, and it's especially effective in less literal performing arts, such as opera, ballet, and skating. So I'd give him a look before worrying about Juliet's age, unless Plushy actually skates with a fourteen-year-old partner. Besides, he might decide to portray, say, Mercutio or Tybalt. (By the way, the Mercutio in the MGM movie was an aging but amazing John Barrymore. It's worth a look!)
    As usual Olympia is the wonderful voice of reason. The ice arena should be no different than a theater stage especially when the subject is a Shakespearean play. On stage anything should be allow to happen without prejudices just like uh... Patrick Chan is not really a phantom that can sing.

    Othello can be white, black, asian, alien, woman, man, it doesn't matter. Richard the third is not really played by a hunch back. And Viola in mid summer night's were played by a man playing as a woman disguising as a man. Shakespeare of all people showed the utter freedom to love and embrace new possibilities regardless of genders or age in his plays. He married Ann Hathaway who is 8 years older than him when he was barely legal. Given Plushy who's still in his prime that shares similar dashing ways to the character Romeo, I really doubt very much he'd object. Besides, many opera singers, ballet dancers have played the young and old convincingly with craft and skill, so why should not Plushy be allow to do the same? It is drama, there should not be limit on ANYTHING!

    It the performer's job to make it work. If it doesn't - then it is another story, but see it first before jump the gun? Will it be a comedy of errors or a tragedy much ado about nothing? Or perhaps an utter triumph that brings the house down? Artistically, I doubt it would be that far apart from the typical Patrick Chan performance we have been witnessing. So everything is still up in the air as far as I am concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Klimova & Ponomarenko - http://youtu.be/roIjwsfWnP0
    Anissina & Peizerat - http://youtu.be/N4Wqpc4xL5Q
    Gregory & Petukhov - http://youtu.be/XCOK3ilXF3Q
    Kurt Browning - I think it was his 1991 LP?

    just a few I could think of that were done by folks in their mid 20s or older... it's not creepy.
    Yum to all of them! Klimova and Ponomarenko were among the best romantic skaters of all time. To me they had the obvious bond that Gordeyeva and Grinkov shared, and it added so much to the emotion they portrayed. Add to that their embodiment of generations of Russian soul, and the effect was like an electrical charge.

    Annissina and Piezerat's R and J was the program that made me their fan. Before that, I had resented their besting of Bourne and Kraatz, but when I laid eyes on that program, I was sold on them for all time.

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    What a unique choice... not!

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    I find myself on the side of Plushy is skating a competitive program with/to this music; not that he is becoming or performing Romeo. And even so, I do feel that the 'magic of theater' is acting convincingly so that you can be older and portray youthfulness or younger and portray age and so forth.

    Anyway, regardless of that part of the discussion in this thread, and although we have no idea how any of these guys will skate their programs or how these programs will even be intended to be skated, I find all this off season upping the ante from the older guys really exciting (gotta hope that among them is Abbot, keeping a program or getting another set of great programs and conquering those competition nerves; and yes, there are lot's of newer and younger guys i love too).

    Plushy seems more than serious about competing at a high level and getting COP friendly programs (which I think also means pushing himself in areas of his skating that simply cannot be easy for him to do).

    Love the photograph that someone gave a link to on the first page of this thread - thanks!!!!

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    [QUOTE=Tonichelle;647137]
    Anissina & Peizerat - http://youtu.be/N4Wqpc4xL5Q

    Thanks so much, I had forgotten how amazing this dance pair was, WOW!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Klimova & Ponomarenko - http://youtu.be/roIjwsfWnP0
    Anissina & Peizerat - http://youtu.be/N4Wqpc4xL5Q
    Gregory & Petukhov - http://youtu.be/XCOK3ilXF3Q
    Kurt Browning - I think it was his 1991 LP?

    just a few I could think of that were done by folks in their mid 20s or older... it's not creepy.
    Another Romeo&Juliet (Tchaikovsky) program by a dance team in their 20s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNo0HGiPLG8


    I wish I could find the one by Karyn and Rod Garossino from 1986. As sister and brother they weren't particularly romantic in their expression, but they did use the palm-to-palm gesture inspired by the text.

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    ^ For costume and make-up we have Romeo's description:

    Art thou so bare and full of wretchedness
    And fearest to die? Famine is in thy cheeks,
    Need and oppression starveth in thine eyes,
    Contempt and beggary hangs upon thy back

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