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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I am now picturing Plushenko as Juliet, playing dead to take a good rest and then waking up to do a quad/quad combo for that end of program bonus. I heard that he's been taking COP advice.
    Can't wait to see some real transitions then!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Here's Kurt as a happy-go-lucky 32-year-old Romeo (Prokofiev) at the 1998 World Pro.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlDjWmSMtSw

    He folled around and finished last for this effort. Which was a shame, because he swept the competition in the LP with his clown program. He would have beat Yagudin at his prime if he hadn't been so careless in the short.

    Thank you! I get mixed up all the time for some reason I always think his "Sons of Italy" program is to R&J, probably because of his costume... my point still stands, and I don't understand why one immediately thinks of one of the WORST things a person could be/do as being what the theme of a program will be about.

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    Also in almost all of art and entertainment, Romeo was always portrayed by an older performer. That's just how it works. Romeo is only played by a 15 year old in high school productions. I'd much rather see old English actor Kenneth Branagh portray Romeo than, say, Canadian teen sensation Justin Bieber.

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    I don't think the casting in a skating program has to be as stringent as it would be for a more direct adaptation of the source material. It can be, and usually is, more symbolic and impressionistic. Unless a character is specifically a competitive figure skater, skaters are not going to be able to tell a story literally. The audience fully knows a skater is a skater and is reminded of it every second of the skate. The most skaters can do, when portraying a fictional character, is to convey the general feeling of that character and her/his journey. And that's plenty good enough. For instance, the diminutive Keegan Messing is certainly never going to be cast as The Hulk in a movie, but he sure made a great one on ice!

    That said, though, it certainly doesn't hurt if a skater has some visible attributes that line up with the character s/he is going for. Romeo's youth is an intrinsic part of his character and story. It's part of his passion, impulsiveness, immaturity, idiocy and powerlessness. Yuzuru's youth and some aspects of his performance temperament lines up pretty neatly with the character of Romeo, which made his Romeo + Juliet program a great fit. Plushenko obviously doesn't have the youth, but that's not an impassable hurdle. It's his skating style that makes this a questionable fit for me. Plushenko skates with an enormous amount of command. His skating exudes far more power and experience than the character of Romeo has. I get the sense that if Plushenko was in Romeo's place, he'd have gotten the feuding families to sit down, shut up, attend the wedding and buy every last ridiculous gift on the registry. I think a program where Plushenko plays a conquering hero would make more sense for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Here is Sasha's most innovative Juliet. She fell out of her closing spin and tried to play it off by laying out on the ice and stabbing herself.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tyfbMt80C0
    OT: Her 2002 Sears Open was the best Romeo And Juliet program from Sasha Cohen with Tatiana Torasova's choreography:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PDaPEgo-Eg

    The one in 2005 (Cohen's own choreography, I believe) didn't have any charm to me.
    Last edited by Bluebonnet; 06-24-2012 at 12:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I am now picturing Plushenko as Juliet, playing dead to take a good rest and then waking up to do a quad/quad combo for that end of program bonus. I heard that he's been taking COP advice.

    http://twitter.com/PlushenkoNews/sta...33267566411778

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue dog View Post
    Also in almost all of art and entertainment, Romeo was always portrayed by an older performer. That's just how it works. Romeo is only played by a 15 year old in high school productions. I'd much rather see old English actor Kenneth Branagh portray Romeo than, say, Canadian teen sensation Justin Bieber.
    Well, that spells it out pretty vividly!

    "Uh, like, she doth teach the candles to, you know, burn bright."

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    Spelling it out vividly for Olympia:

    Blue Dog's Romeo

    At Romeo's time, a 51 years old grandpa was most probably decrepit and ready for the grave, unable to climb balconies and carry out sword fights.

    Among the mature skaters, I think Stephane Lambiel would be the one to carry it off with his emotional range and youthful good looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    OT: Her 2002 Sears Open was the best Romeo And Juliet program from Sasha Cohen with Tatiana Torasova's choreography:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PDaPEgo-Eg

    The one in 2005 (Cohen's own choreography, I believe) didn't have any charm to me.
    I didn't like the Tarasova years for Cohen (year?), I preferred the 2005/06 (year I became a fan, because of that program! it's fantastic live!) program. I thought David Wilson had a hand in that program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    I didn't like the Tarasova years for Cohen (year?), I preferred the 2005/06 (year I became a fan, because of that program! it's fantastic live!) program. I thought David Wilson had a hand in that program?
    You are right! It was David Wilson's choreography. Anyway, I didn't like it. Cohen's programs after she left Tarasova were all somewhat lost the magic to me.

    Sorry for the OT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Anissina & Peizerat - http://youtu.be/N4Wqpc4xL5Q
    Gwendal! SWEEEET!!

    How would you like a series of Japanese Romeos?

    - Takeshi : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL1IdE1r_aY
    - Daisuke : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhYRFVjRiQg
    - Takahiko : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_bwp...eature=related
    - Yuzuru : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2ejA...eature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by deedee1 View Post
    No,no,no!!!! Romeo wasn't Japanese!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    os, I certainly don't want to see Patrick play Romeo in his late 20s or older, not straight as a romantic young lad in a solo anyways.
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    Anyway, I'd like to see how Plushenko actually handles this role if he indeed plays Romeo before further comments. So far, Ive been dragged into reacting to posts rather than the actual performance.
    Haha nice try - dragged? How about more like head dived?! You are the one who started to call Plushenko's Romeo the 'pedophile' version before the actual performance, and also called Hanyu's 'Teenage Ninja' Romeo. Obviously it is now game for all the defenders.

    One can hardly make judgement on past centuries social morality anyway, it is a complete landmine. For example you think it is wrong for 30 years old marrying 14 years old in secret against parents wishes. Yet parents do frequently marrying off their unsuspecting 14 year off to some 30/40 years old guy against their young daughter's wishes to rich prominent family. Does that mean no one should skate to 'Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon' or 'Butterfly Lovers' with a smile? ;p

    I personally still think Plushy's Romeo can't be that far off from Patrick's Phantom in the convincing department, and that is given we already seen Patrick's performances for the 2 seasons. These two are 半斤八兩 in the artistry dept. (Translation: 'Halfa pound 8 ounces'. Chinese proverb for more or less the same )

    Actually thanks for all the Romeo clips sent but I am curious given there had been so many Romeos in skating programs, how many Juliet has there ever been? Were there as many solo as men's Romeo?


    Quote Originally Posted by blue dog View Post
    Also in almost all of art and entertainment, Romeo was always portrayed by an older performer. That's just how it works. Romeo is only played by a 15 year old in high school productions. I'd much rather see old English actor Kenneth Branagh portray Romeo than, say, Canadian teen sensation Justin Bieber.
    But you know... I am in the mind of there's an age appropriate Romeo for everyone. Yours happen to be Branagh, for some is Kurt, and there are plenty of willing Juliets for Beiber too
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    Quote Originally Posted by os168 View Post
    Actually thanks for all the Romeo clips sent but I am curious given there had been so many Romeos in skating programs, how many Juliet has there ever been? Were there as many solo as men's Romeo?
    My favorites are by Elena Sokolova.

    - Juliet version @ 2005 Euro: Gorgeous opening 3Lz+3T!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v_XT...eature=related

    -Romeo version @ 2006 Euro:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaZinWM_VeI

    Another favorite of mine by Polina Agafonova @ 2010 Jr Worlds : Age appropriate, huh?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbvonvGBDMU

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    Quote Originally Posted by os168 View Post

    I personally still think Plushy's Romeo can't be that far off from Patrick's Phantom in the convincing department, and that is given we already seen Patrick's performances for the 2 seasons. These two are 半斤八兩 in the artistry dept. (Translation: 'Halfa pound 8 ounces'. Chinese proverb for more or less the same )


    But you know... I am in the mind of there's an age appropriate Romeo for everyone. Yours happen to be Branagh, for some is Kurt, and there are plenty of willing Juliets for Beiber too
    Oh, I'm fairly sure that there are millions of willing Juliets for Justin Bieber. Definitely Kurt for me! (I know; stand in line.)

    I love the way idioms from different languages are often parallel. In English we have a similar expression: six of one, half a dozen of the other.

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