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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattieu View Post
    This Japanese sight has an amazing amount of results information all in one place.
    So easy to find any ISU result at the click of a button!
    http://deep-edge.net/result.php?s=2011&e=
    Yes! This is the great source to everything relating to figure skating for every core skating fans in Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattieu View Post
    The List of Skaters/Couples Who Can Compete (for now) at Worlds 2013

    LADIES

    Russia
    Adelina SOTNIKOVA
    Alena LEONOVA
    Elizaveta TUKTAMISHEVA
    Kristina ZASEEVA
    Polina AGAFONOVA
    Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA
    Polina SHELEPEN
    Sofia BIRYUKOVA
    Mattieu, a big 'thank you' from me, too!, but no Makarova?

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    seniorita, this is a pretty shocking requirement, particularly for the SD. I'll do dance, because I know it better than I know the other 3 disciplines, starting with how European teams would fare:


    The guidelines

    To qualify for Worlds Seniors
    SD 29
    FD 39


    To qualify for Europeans/4CCs
    SD 18
    FD 28


    These had an FD with TES of 39 or greater in the preliminaries: one team only would qualify for Worlds from this group.

    TOTAL TES
    1 Q Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 81.55 44.43 37.12 6.18 6.00 6.25 6.39 6.25 0.00 #15

    Everyone else fails to qualify for Worlds

    2 Q Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 74.34 38.41 35.93 6.04 5.75 6.14 6.14 6.04 0.00 #17
    3 Q Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 73.10 38.30 34.80 6.00 5.68 5.75 5.86 5.75 0.00 #4
    4 Q Louise WALDEN / Owen EDWARDS GBR 72.75 39.22 33.53 5.61 5.36 5.75 5.68 5.71 0.00 #10
    5 Q Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 72.07 38.57 34.50 5.89 5.54 5.86 5.79 5.79 1.00 #19
    6 Q Tanja KOLBE / Stefano CARUSO GER 71.05 35.92 36.13 6.00 5.89 5.93 6.25 6.14 1.00 #12
    7 Q Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 69.21 37.43 34.78 5.96 5.54 5.71 5.96 5.96 3.00 #13
    8 Q Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Neil BROWN CZE 68.68 36.94 31.74 5.39 5.04 5.50 5.39 5.29 0.00 #3
    9 Tiffany ZAHORSKI / Alexis MIART FRA 67.22 33.10 36.12 6.11 5.89 5.75 6.21 6.21 2.00 #11
    10 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 67.01 35.64 31.37 5.39 4.93 5.39 5.29 5.32 0.00 #14
    11 Dora TUROCZI / Balazs MAJOR HUN 65.01 36.42 29.59 5.00 4.71 5.14 4.96 5.00 1.00 #18
    12 Barbora SILNA / Juri KURAKIN AUT 63.34 31.70 31.64 5.29 5.04 5.43 5.46 5.32 0.00 #16
    13 Henna LINDHOLM / Ossi KANERVO FIN 63.26 32.86 30.40 5.25 4.79 5.14 5.07 5.25 0.00 #7
    14 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR 60.63 33.73 28.90 4.86 4.57 4.96 5.00 4.86 2.00 #2
    15 Alexandra ZVORIGINA / Maciej BERNADOWSKI POL 58.94 30.88 28.06 4.71 4.54 4.79 4.75 4.68 0.00 #6
    16 Lesia VALADZENKAVA / Vitali VAKUNOV BLR 57.97 32.43 25.54 4.43 4.14 4.36 4.25 4.14 0.00 #8

    18 Ksenia PECHERKINA / Aleksandrs JAKUSHIN LAT 53.93 31.57 25.36 4.32 4.04 4.14 4.43 4.32 3.00 #1

    Only two fail to qualify to go to Europeans the next year, however. The Israelis are close enough that they surely could get the minimum score for Europeans at some Senior B (often graded less stringently than Europeans or Worlds)

    17 Ekaterina BUGROV / Vasili ROGOV ISR 56.11 28.32 27.79 4.79 4.46 4.71 4.82 4.46 0.00 #9
    19 Alexandra CHISTIAKOVA / Dimitar LICHEV BUL 45.42 22.14 25.28 4.21 4.11 4.29 4.25 4.29 2.00 #5

    In the SD, the top 8 from the Preliminaries are included. Only 20 qualify for the finals here. However, the SD is actually more of a filter for Worlds than the FD. Only 7 teams would qualify for Worlds from this Europeans:

    TOTAL TES
    1 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 65.06 31.93 33.13 8.39 8.11 8.32 8.43 8.18 0.00 #11
    2 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA 64.89 30.36 34.53 8.61 8.39 8.79 8.64 8.71 0.00 #13
    3 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS 61.34 31.85 29.49 7.43 7.18 7.43 7.54 7.29 0.00 #14
    4 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 59.78 31.22 28.56 7.11 6.82 7.21 7.25 7.25 0.00 #15
    5 Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS LTU 59.66 31.14 28.52 7.18 6.86 7.29 7.18 7.14 0.00 #12
    6 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 59.62 27.51 32.11 7.93 7.82 8.11 8.14 8.11 0.00 #20

    10 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 52.45 29.00 23.45 6.07 5.71 6.04 6.07 5.50 0.00 #2

    Notice that the following 5 fine teams would not qualify. Chances are, they could earn the score at a Senior B though:

    7 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 59.49 27.01 32.48 8.18 7.96 8.18 8.25 8.04 0.00 #16
    8 Pernelle CARRON / Lloyd JONES FRA 57.40 28.92 28.48 7.14 6.82 7.21 7.21 7.18 0.00 #19
    9 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 56.79 28.57 28.22 7.25 6.82 7.11 7.14 6.96 0.00 #18
    11 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 49.66 24.57 25.09 6.39 6.18 6.32 6.36 6.14 0.00 #8
    12 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 49.35 25.78 23.57 6.04 5.82 6.04 6.04 5.61 0.00 #17

    13 Tanja KOLBE / Stefano CARUSO GER 49.07 25.65 23.42 5.93 5.71 6.04 5.96 5.68 0.00 #3
    14 Louise WALDEN / Owen EDWARDS GBR 48.36 25.71 22.65 5.71 5.54 5.71 5.82 5.54 0.00 #6
    15 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Neil BROWN CZE 47.47 24.92 22.55 5.68 5.46 5.71 5.86 5.50 0.00 #9
    16 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 46.71 22.57 24.14 6.18 5.89 6.04 6.11 5.96 0.00 #5
    17 Gabriela KUBOVA / Dmitri KISELEV CZE 45.88 24.85 21.03 5.32 5.04 5.32 5.43 5.18 0.00 #7
    18 Zsuzsanna NAGY / Mate FEJES HUN 44.99 24.37 20.62 5.29 5.00 5.18 5.32 5.00 0.00 #4
    19 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 44.97 22.29 22.68 5.86 5.61 5.82 5.79 5.36 0.00 #10
    20 Nadezhda FROLENKOVA / Mikhail KASALO UKR 42.60 22.07 20.53 5.29 4.93 5.25 5.21 5.00 0.00 #1

    Also note that all 20 teams would qualify for Europeans next year.

    In the Finals:

    Only 11 European teams would qualify for Worlds in the FD. However, all in the final would qualify for Europeans next year.

    TOTAL TES
    1 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA 99.29 46.07 53.22 8.79 8.68 9.04 8.96 9.04 0.00 #17
    2 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 95.17 43.57 51.60 8.68 8.43 8.79 8.50 8.71 0.00 #16
    3 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 93.63 45.15 48.48 8.14 7.82 8.36 8.04 8.21 0.00 #14
    4 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 93.47 45.36 48.11 7.96 7.82 8.32 8.04 8.11 0.00 #15
    5 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS 90.88 45.28 45.60 7.75 7.32 7.75 7.64 7.71 0.00 #18
    6 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 85.53 44.22 43.31 7.07 6.96 7.54 7.32 7.43 2.00 #20
    7 Pernelle CARRON / Lloyd JONES FRA 84.87 42.28 42.59 7.07 6.86 7.32 7.21 7.21 0.00 #12
    8 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 84.05 43.00 42.05 7.00 6.75 7.14 7.21 7.14 1.00 #13
    9 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 83.38 42.86 41.52 6.89 6.68 7.18 7.00 7.04 1.00 #9

    12 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 76.12 42.14 33.98 5.79 5.46 5.71 5.79 5.68 0.00 #3

    15 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 73.24 39.07 34.17 5.89 5.46 5.86 5.71 5.68 0.00 #1

    The rest would not.

    10 Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS LTU 79.87 37.74 42.13 7.00 6.79 7.25 7.11 7.14 0.00 #19
    11 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 77.01 37.93 39.08 6.57 6.21 6.68 6.57 6.75 0.00 #11

    13 Tanja KOLBE / Stefano CARUSO GER 74.82 36.44 38.38 6.50 6.14 6.54 6.46 6.50 0.00 #8
    14 Louise WALDEN / Owen EDWARDS GBR 74.23 38.92 35.31 5.93 5.68 6.00 6.00 5.96 0.00 #10

    16 Zsuzsanna NAGY / Mate FEJES HUN 69.41 37.43 32.98 5.46 5.39 5.61 5.68 5.43 1.00 #5
    17 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 67.91 33.99 35.92 6.00 5.71 6.11 6.14 6.18 2.00 #6
    18 Gabriela KUBOVA / Dmitri KISELEV CZE 67.63 36.07 31.56 5.39 5.04 5.36 5.46 5.18 0.00 #4
    19 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Neil BROWN CZE 63.99 29.77 34.22 5.86 5.46 5.79 5.86 5.68 0.00 #7
    20 Nadezhda FROLENKOVA / Mikhail KASALO UKR 62.14 32.43 30.71 5.32 4.93 5.11 5.21 5.11 1.00 #2

    Consequently, smaller federations have a good chance that their teams will qualify for Europeans or 4CC's, but Worlds has become very very restrictive.
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    Looking at how the scores fell out at Worlds:

    FD Preliminary- Only three teams scored high enough to qualify for Worlds (39 points) but all of them scored high enough to qualify for Europeans or 4CC's

    1 Q Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 92.40 43.00 49.40 8.25 7.93 8.39 8.36 8.46 0.00 #14
    2 Q Xintong HUANG / Xun ZHENG CHN 79.69 41.07 38.62 6.54 6.29 6.36 6.61 6.46 0.00 #21
    4 Q Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 79.09 39.49 40.60 6.82 6.61 6.79 6.82 6.89 1.00 #20

    3 Q Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 79.17 42.78 36.39 6.21 5.93 6.04 6.07 6.14 0.00 #23

    5 Q Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 77.80 38.85 38.95 6.50 6.29 6.46 6.64 6.71 0.00 #19
    6 Q Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 76.26 39.06 37.20 6.18 6.04 6.29 6.32 6.29 0.00 #22
    7 Q Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Simone VATURI ITA 73.96 36.50 37.46 6.36 5.96 6.36 6.29 6.43 0.00 #15
    8 Q Danielle OBRIEN / Gregory MERRIMAN AUS 71.37 38.78 32.59 5.39 5.18 5.57 5.50 5.71 0.00 #13
    9 Q Anna NAGORNYUK / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 70.88 38.91 32.97 5.57 5.21 5.75 5.50 5.64 1.00 #12
    10 Q Zsuzsanna NAGY / Mate FEJES HUN 70.84 38.34 32.50 5.57 5.29 5.46 5.46 5.36 0.00 #18
    11 Gabriela KUBOVA / Dmitri KISELEV CZE 70.39 38.71 31.68 5.46 5.04 5.39 5.32 5.32 0.00 #17
    12 Federica TESTA / Lukas CSOLLEY SVK 68.42 36.35 33.07 5.61 5.32 5.64 5.54 5.57 1.00 #8
    13 Henna LINDHOLM / Ossi KANERVO FIN 68.42 38.42 30.00 5.14 4.75 5.18 5.04 5.04 0.00 #6
    14 Alexandra ZVORIGINA / Maciej BERNADOWSKI POL 68.29 38.36 29.93 5.21 4.79 5.07 5.04 4.93 0.00 #11
    15 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 66.29 34.43 31.86 5.39 5.07 5.39 5.36 5.50 0.00 #16
    16 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR 64.61 37.56 27.05 4.61 4.39 4.50 4.68 4.43 0.00 #3
    17 Ksenia PECHERKINA / Aleksandrs JAKUSHIN LAT 62.15 34.99 27.16 4.96 4.14 4.71 4.54 4.46 0.00 #1
    18 Corenne BRUHNS / Ryan VAN NATTEN MEX 61.11 36.21 25.90 4.29 4.11 4.50 4.46 4.39 1.00 #10
    19 Ekaterina BUGROV / Vasili ROGOV ISR 60.81 33.31 27.50 4.68 4.43 4.54 4.79 4.57 0.00 #9
    20 Cortney MANSOUR / Daryn ZHUNUSSOV KAZ 58.92 34.13 24.79 4.25 3.82 4.29 4.32 4.18 0.00 #7
    21 Barbora SILNA / Juri KURAKIN AUT 57.78 31.64 27.14 4.61 4.32 4.54 4.64 4.64 1.00 #2
    22 Alexandra CHISTIAKOVA / Dimitar LICHEV BUL 55.22 31.20 24.02 4.07 3.86 4.07 4.14 3.96 0.00 #4
    23 Lesia VALADZENKAVA / Vitali VAKUNOV BLR 53.00 29.57 23.43 3.93 3.89 3.96 4.11 3.64 0.00 #5






    SD Only 8 teams would score high enough to qualify for Worlds, including a team that made the Grand Prix Final. 29 points TES is clearly too high a bar in the SD for Worlds. However, all the teams who went to Worlds scored high enough to qualify for Europeans or 4CC's.

    1 Q Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 72.31 34.29 38.02 9.46 9.36 9.57 9.54 9.57 0.00 #23
    2 Q Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 70.98 33.50 37.48 9.39 9.14 9.50 9.50 9.32 0.00 #22
    3 Q Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA 69.13 33.64 35.49 8.89 8.68 8.96 8.93 8.89 0.00 #25
    4 Q Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 66.47 33.21 33.26 8.18 8.04 8.43 8.50 8.39 0.00 #19
    5 Q Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 65.34 31.86 33.48 8.43 8.14 8.46 8.50 8.32 0.00 #21
    6 Q Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 65.11 32.14 32.97 8.21 7.96 8.39 8.25 8.36 0.00 #20
    7 Q Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 62.35 29.44 32.91 8.25 8.07 8.32 8.29 8.21 0.00 #24
    8 Q Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 59.56 32.64 26.92 6.68 6.50 6.79 6.86 6.79 0.00 #7


    9 Q Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 58.29 26.43 32.86 8.32 8.14 8.07 8.39 8.14 1.00 #16
    10 Q Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS 58.19 28.64 29.55 7.46 7.11 7.50 7.54 7.32 0.00 #18
    11 Q Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 56.29 28.64 27.65 7.00 6.71 6.89 6.96 6.96 0.00 #14
    12 Q Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 54.35 26.85 27.50 6.86 6.68 7.00 6.96 6.86 0.00 #15
    13 Q Xintong HUANG / Xun ZHENG CHN 51.35 26.86 24.49 6.25 6.04 6.18 6.21 5.96 0.00 #13
    14 Q Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Simone VATURI ITA 51.18 26.85 25.33 6.36 6.14 6.46 6.46 6.25 1.00 #9
    15 Q Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL CAN 50.75 27.21 24.54 6.18 5.86 6.18 6.32 6.11 1.00 #6
    16 Q Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS LTU 50.22 24.85 25.37 6.46 6.18 6.32 6.50 6.25 0.00 #5
    17 Q Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 48.70 25.07 23.63 6.04 5.68 5.89 5.96 5.93 0.00 #1
    18 Q Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 48.68 26.21 22.47 5.75 5.50 5.89 5.86 5.21 0.00 #10
    19 Q Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 48.15 23.22 24.93 6.32 6.00 6.29 6.32 6.21 0.00 #4
    20 Q Danielle OBRIEN / Gregory MERRIMAN AUS 47.92 25.93 21.99 5.64 5.29 5.64 5.50 5.43 0.00 #11
    21 Pernelle CARRON / Lloyd JONES FRA 47.75 20.25 27.50 7.00 6.71 6.82 6.96 6.86 0.00 #17
    22 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 47.24 25.86 21.38 5.79 5.39 5.54 5.57 4.64 0.00 #2
    23 Zsuzsanna NAGY / Mate FEJES HUN 45.70 24.78 20.92 5.50 5.07 5.39 5.39 4.89 0.00 #3
    24 Cathy REED / Chris REED JPN 44.19 21.21 23.98 6.21 5.86 5.79 6.25 5.86 1.00 #12
    25 Anna NAGORNYUK / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 44.08 23.51 20.57 5.43 5.00 5.32 5.32 4.75 0.00 #8

    FD (Final)

    Fourteen teams here scored high enough to qualify for Worlds

    1 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 110.34 52.78 57.56 9.50 9.43 9.68 9.68 9.82 0.00 #20
    2 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 107.64 50.93 56.71 9.36 9.25 9.68 9.50 9.64 0.00 #16
    3 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA 104.05 49.50 54.55 8.96 8.93 9.18 9.25 9.29 0.00 #18
    4 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 100.18 49.64 50.54 8.54 8.04 8.68 8.32 8.79 0.00 #17
    5 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 95.66 46.87 48.79 8.36 7.75 8.21 8.21 8.36 0.00 #19
    6 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 95.51 45.86 49.65 8.18 7.93 8.54 8.39 8.61 0.00 #13
    7 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 92.46 42.86 49.60 8.32 8.07 8.36 8.36 8.36 0.00 #14
    8 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS 86.24 41.93 44.31 7.57 7.04 7.57 7.39 7.57 0.00 #12
    9 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 85.07 42.78 42.29 7.21 6.75 7.18 7.18 7.11 0.00 #8
    10 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 84.39 43.28 41.11 7.04 6.46 6.86 6.93 7.21 0.00 #11

    12 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 80.05 41.78 38.27 6.50 6.04 6.61 6.50 6.46 0.00 #3
    13 Xintong HUANG / Xun ZHENG CHN 78.92 41.50 37.42 6.50 6.04 6.29 6.36 6.07 0.00 #6
    14 Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL CAN 78.80 39.44 39.36 6.50 6.29 6.75 6.61 6.86 0.00 #7
    15 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 78.42 40.42 38.00 6.39 6.07 6.50 6.43 6.46 0.00 #4

    The Shibutanis scored high enough at 4CC's to qualify, although not here, since they completely blew the twizzles
    11 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 82.37 35.71 46.66 7.79 7.71 7.68 7.93 7.82 0.00 #15

    These teams did not score high enough here to qualify for Worlds:

    16 Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Simone VATURI ITA 75.71 36.85 38.86 6.61 6.18 6.71 6.43 6.64 0.00 #9
    17 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 74.96 36.28 39.68 6.61 6.46 6.61 6.79 6.71 1.00 #10 (qualified at Europeans)
    18 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 74.44 38.99 35.45 5.93 5.57 5.93 6.25 6.11 0.00 #1
    19 Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS LTU 73.85 36.93 36.92 6.21 5.86 6.29 6.29 6.32 0.00 #5
    20 Danielle OBRIEN / Gregory MERRIMAN AUS 64.31 32.99 32.32 5.46 5.14 5.32 5.71 5.46 1.00 #2

    Again, I see that the qualifying score for Worlds in the SD is the biggest difficulty for a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    We have the GP series for the elites but World Championships and the Olympics should encompass the whole world to include all the best skaters every nation can produce...
    I think there has been a gradual but irresistible movement throughout Cinquanta's reign to make the ISU less and less a community of national federations and more and more a world sports-governing body. It seems possible that one day the world championship will be contested by top-ranking individual skaters without regard to nationality.

    The biggest change by far in moving from the 6.0 ordinal system to the present code of points paradigm is the role of the technical specialists. These officials are appointed directly by the ISU, they serve strictly at Cinquanta's pleasure, and in principle do not represent any national federation.

    The older model was that each nation send its team to the world championship and especially to the Olympic games. The national tram comprised athletes, coaches, federation officials, publicists, and judges. The team was charged with bringing back as many medals as possible, and each team member was expected to do his or her part toward that goal, hence the lack of confidence in the fairness of judging that plagued figure skating throughout its 100-year-plus history.

    To me, this minimum score thing fits the trend of increasing the central authority of the ISU and diminishing the prerogatives of the member federations.

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    To complete the set, here's the 4CC's results. There were no preliminaries in dance at 4CC's:

    SD

    Only 4 teams got a high enough score to qualify for Worlds (including the Shibutanis, who didn't get a high enough score at Worlds itself)

    1 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 72.15 34.71 37.44 9.39 9.25 9.32 9.43 9.39 0.00 #8
    2 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 71.60 33.92 37.68 9.39 9.29 9.46 9.39 9.54 0.00 #9
    3 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 64.23 31.43 32.80 8.07 7.93 8.29 8.29 8.36 0.00 #11
    4 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 63.38 31.86 31.52 7.93 7.64 8.04 7.89 7.89 0.00 #10


    5 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 49.93 25.50 25.43 6.43 6.39 6.21 6.39 6.36 1.00 #7 (received a high enough score at Worlds)

    6 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 48.52 23.71 24.81 6.39 6.00 6.29 6.29 6.07 0.00 #5
    7 Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG CHN 45.42 24.00 21.42 5.43 5.14 5.36 5.46 5.36 0.00 #4
    8 Danielle OBRIEN / Gregory MERRIMAN AUS 40.10 20.64 20.46 5.25 4.93 5.14 5.21 5.04 1.00 #6
    9 Anna NAGORNYUK / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 39.93 21.49 18.44 4.75 4.50 4.61 4.75 4.46 0.00 #2
    10 Corenne BRUHNS / Ryan VAN NATTEN MEX 35.93 20.64 15.29 4.00 3.71 3.82 3.93 3.68 0.00 #3

    Only one team scored low enough that they did not qualify for 4CC's.
    11 Cortney MANSOUR / Daryn ZHUNUSSOV KAZ 25.53 13.22 13.31 3.54 3.25 3.32 3.43 3.14 1.00 #1

    In the FD, only 5 teams scored high enough for Worlds. All the teams scored high enough for 4CC's:

    1 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 111.24 54.07 57.17 9.46 9.32 9.71 9.61 9.71 0.00 #10
    2 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 107.25 50.01 57.24 9.54 9.36 9.68 9.61 9.64 0.00 #11
    3 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 99.03 47.42 51.61 8.50 8.36 8.75 8.71 8.89 0.00 #8
    4 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 94.91 47.06 48.85 8.14 8.00 8.21 8.25 8.21 1.00 #9
    5 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 79.27 40.72 39.55 6.61 6.43 6.54 6.75 6.75 1.00 #5

    6 Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG CHN 69.63 36.50 33.13 5.68 5.36 5.54 5.54 5.57 0.00 #7
    7 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 69.45 33.07 37.38 6.29 6.11 6.11 6.36 6.36 1.00 #4
    8 Anna NAGORNYUK / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 67.68 38.07 30.61 5.18 4.93 5.21 5.18 5.11 1.00 #3
    9 Danielle OBRIEN / Gregory MERRIMAN AUS 65.81 34.93 30.88 5.21 4.93 5.21 5.32 5.21 0.00 #6
    10 Corenne BRUHNS / Ryan VAN NATTEN MEX 55.64 32.66 22.98 4.00 3.64 3.82 4.00 3.79 0.00 #1
    11 Cortney MANSOUR / Daryn ZHUNUSSOV KAZ 53.13 30.43 22.70 3.96 3.46 3.86 4.04 3.79 0.00 #2

    I'm OK with the standard for 4CC's/Europeans, but I think the SD should be more like TES 25 for Worlds than 29. With the tighter standards on the key points for timing next year, if anything, fewer teams will qualify.

    They should be aiming for at least 20 participants at Worlds. Furthermore with this strategy, federations would be best advised to send teams to qualify for Worlds here. Teams like Paul and Islam, that weren't going to qualify, might be left home, and in favor of teams like Ralph & Hill, who scored ahead of P&I at Nationals. R&H qualified at Worlds in the FD, but did not in the SD, perhaps should have been sent here to earn the reputation and to get input on their SD.

    Also, clearly all teams should be looking for a Senior B (or two) to be sure their SD score is going to be high enough to qualify for Worlds.

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    Does the minimum requirements apply to the Olympics? I believe it would be counter to the Olympics spirits and rules.

    One major concern I have about a possible long term consequence of the minimum requirements based on the Technical Scores is that it would induce a push for young skaters to focus on training jumps prematurely and overly hard, not only on the expense of their basic skating skills but also of their bodies which may pay an early and permanent price.

    ISU does provide for adjustments depending on the actual number of skaters eligible for these competitions, but their consideration will be based on economics, not the welfare of the skaters, the federations, or the sport.

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    Thanks to Mattieu from me too! that list is a great reference. And to Doris for the breakdown in dance!

    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    The statistic about Canada's ladies brings a thought to mind. Suppose that Osmond is still the only Canadian lady with the baseline score by Worlds, and Phaneuf wins Nationals. Phaneuf can't be sent, and Osmond has to go, even if she comes in, say, fourth?
    From what I gather, Phaneuf could still go to 4CC and try to get the minimum score there, or at any other senior B post-Nationals. It's not like the World team is always selected at Nats; recall that just this past season they waited for the outcome of 4CC between her and Lacoste. But yes, if no other lady reached the minimum TES scores by worlds, then Skate Canada would have to send Osmond (or no one at all, but that seems silly).

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    Those technical bars that've set seem too high.

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    Oh Doris thank you a lot for your posts, that looks worrying for worlds. My mind was basically on ladies at that moment, I thought the 20 tes was ok, but maybe it's not, I ll see worlds past season.

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    Jeez!! I guess the worlds is now going to be more like the grand Prix with a few more skaters!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deedee1 View Post
    Mattieu, a big 'thank you' from me, too!, but no Makarova?
    She and Korpi got the minimum SP score at world's and/or European's. But they did not reach the minimum score in FP. My question is: how far back can skaters use their best scores?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Does the minimum requirements apply to the Olympics? I believe it would be counter to the Olympics spirits and rules.
    I think it has become quite common in most Olympic sports. Here are the qualifying standards for track and field for the London games.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...ification.html

    For instance, in the men's hundred meters the "A" standard is 10.18 seconds and the "B" standard is 10.24 seconds. A country can enter up to three sprinters if they have that many who have met the A standard. If a country has no sprinter who has met the A standard, they may send one (only) sprinter who has met the B standard. If no sprinter meets even the B standard, that country cannot participate in the event.

    I don't know what the exact formula is, but I believe that these times are set by first deciding the "target" number of athletes (2000 for the London games), then setting the qualifying times at whatever level is expected to make it come out that way.

    Edited to add Just for reference, in the U.S. Olympic trials just completed, 15 men and 15 women met the A standard in the 100 meters.
    Last edited by Mathman; 07-04-2012 at 05:13 PM.

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    One of the restrictions on what they could do with dance is that it would be very easy to reduce 4CC's in dance to only 6 teams or less-3 or less from the US & 3 or less from Canada. As it is, with open admissions, so to speak, there were only 11 teams (the Reeds qualified, but did not skate).

    3 Canadians
    3 Americans
    1 Japanese (withdrew)
    1 China
    1 Australia
    1 Kazhakstan
    1 Mexico
    1 Uzbekistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflake View Post
    She and Korpi got the minimum SP score at world's and/or European's. But they did not reach the minimum score in FP.
    Thanks a lot, snowflake.

    I did not read this rule change fully enough to understand myself I guess...
    So it means skaters now need to meet requirements both with SP and FP respectively. Okay. I don't know what to say, I mean what's on your mind, ISU guys???

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