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Scoring Requirements (TES requirements for ISU Championships, and new GP Score reqs)

dorispulaski

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To complete the set, here's the 4CC's results. There were no preliminaries in dance at 4CC's:

SD

Only 4 teams got a high enough score to qualify for Worlds (including the Shibutanis, who didn't get a high enough score at Worlds itself)

1 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 72.15 34.71 37.44 9.39 9.25 9.32 9.43 9.39 0.00 #8
2 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 71.60 33.92 37.68 9.39 9.29 9.46 9.39 9.54 0.00 #9
3 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 64.23 31.43 32.80 8.07 7.93 8.29 8.29 8.36 0.00 #11
4 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 63.38 31.86 31.52 7.93 7.64 8.04 7.89 7.89 0.00 #10


5 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 49.93 25.50 25.43 6.43 6.39 6.21 6.39 6.36 1.00 #7 (received a high enough score at Worlds)

6 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 48.52 23.71 24.81 6.39 6.00 6.29 6.29 6.07 0.00 #5
7 Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG CHN 45.42 24.00 21.42 5.43 5.14 5.36 5.46 5.36 0.00 #4
8 Danielle OBRIEN / Gregory MERRIMAN AUS 40.10 20.64 20.46 5.25 4.93 5.14 5.21 5.04 1.00 #6
9 Anna NAGORNYUK / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 39.93 21.49 18.44 4.75 4.50 4.61 4.75 4.46 0.00 #2
10 Corenne BRUHNS / Ryan VAN NATTEN MEX 35.93 20.64 15.29 4.00 3.71 3.82 3.93 3.68 0.00 #3

Only one team scored low enough that they did not qualify for 4CC's.
11 Cortney MANSOUR / Daryn ZHUNUSSOV KAZ 25.53 13.22 13.31 3.54 3.25 3.32 3.43 3.14 1.00 #1

In the FD, only 5 teams scored high enough for Worlds. All the teams scored high enough for 4CC's:

1 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 111.24 54.07 57.17 9.46 9.32 9.71 9.61 9.71 0.00 #10
2 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 107.25 50.01 57.24 9.54 9.36 9.68 9.61 9.64 0.00 #11
3 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 99.03 47.42 51.61 8.50 8.36 8.75 8.71 8.89 0.00 #8
4 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 94.91 47.06 48.85 8.14 8.00 8.21 8.25 8.21 1.00 #9
5 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 79.27 40.72 39.55 6.61 6.43 6.54 6.75 6.75 1.00 #5

6 Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG CHN 69.63 36.50 33.13 5.68 5.36 5.54 5.54 5.57 0.00 #7
7 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 69.45 33.07 37.38 6.29 6.11 6.11 6.36 6.36 1.00 #4
8 Anna NAGORNYUK / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 67.68 38.07 30.61 5.18 4.93 5.21 5.18 5.11 1.00 #3
9 Danielle OBRIEN / Gregory MERRIMAN AUS 65.81 34.93 30.88 5.21 4.93 5.21 5.32 5.21 0.00 #6
10 Corenne BRUHNS / Ryan VAN NATTEN MEX 55.64 32.66 22.98 4.00 3.64 3.82 4.00 3.79 0.00 #1
11 Cortney MANSOUR / Daryn ZHUNUSSOV KAZ 53.13 30.43 22.70 3.96 3.46 3.86 4.04 3.79 0.00 #2

I'm OK with the standard for 4CC's/Europeans, but I think the SD should be more like TES 25 for Worlds than 29. With the tighter standards on the key points for timing next year, if anything, fewer teams will qualify.

They should be aiming for at least 20 participants at Worlds. Furthermore with this strategy, federations would be best advised to send teams to qualify for Worlds here. Teams like Paul and Islam, that weren't going to qualify, might be left home, and in favor of teams like Ralph & Hill, who scored ahead of P&I at Nationals. R&H qualified at Worlds in the FD, but did not in the SD, perhaps should have been sent here to earn the reputation and to get input on their SD.

Also, clearly all teams should be looking for a Senior B (or two) to be sure their SD score is going to be high enough to qualify for Worlds.
 

Violet Bliss

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Does the minimum requirements apply to the Olympics? I believe it would be counter to the Olympics spirits and rules.

One major concern I have about a possible long term consequence of the minimum requirements based on the Technical Scores is that it would induce a push for young skaters to focus on training jumps prematurely and overly hard, not only on the expense of their basic skating skills but also of their bodies which may pay an early and permanent price.

ISU does provide for adjustments depending on the actual number of skaters eligible for these competitions, but their consideration will be based on economics, not the welfare of the skaters, the federations, or the sport.
 

Kypma

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Thanks to Mattieu from me too! that list is a great reference. And to Doris for the breakdown in dance! :yes:

The statistic about Canada's ladies brings a thought to mind. Suppose that Osmond is still the only Canadian lady with the baseline score by Worlds, and Phaneuf wins Nationals. Phaneuf can't be sent, and Osmond has to go, even if she comes in, say, fourth?

From what I gather, Phaneuf could still go to 4CC and try to get the minimum score there, or at any other senior B post-Nationals. It's not like the World team is always selected at Nats; recall that just this past season they waited for the outcome of 4CC between her and Lacoste. But yes, if no other lady reached the minimum TES scores by worlds, then Skate Canada would have to send Osmond (or no one at all, but that seems silly).
 

seniorita

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Oh Doris thank you a lot for your posts, that looks worrying for worlds. My mind was basically on ladies at that moment, I thought the 20 tes was ok, but maybe it's not, I ll see worlds past season.
 

snowflake

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Mattieu, a big 'thank you' from me, too!, but no Makarova?

She and Korpi got the minimum SP score at world's and/or European's. But they did not reach the minimum score in FP. My question is: how far back can skaters use their best scores?
 
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Does the minimum requirements apply to the Olympics? I believe it would be counter to the Olympics spirits and rules.

I think it has become quite common in most Olympic sports. Here are the qualifying standards for track and field for the London games.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/8453553/London-2012-Olympics-Athletics-qualification.html

For instance, in the men's hundred meters the "A" standard is 10.18 seconds and the "B" standard is 10.24 seconds. A country can enter up to three sprinters if they have that many who have met the A standard. If a country has no sprinter who has met the A standard, they may send one (only) sprinter who has met the B standard. If no sprinter meets even the B standard, that country cannot participate in the event.

I don't know what the exact formula is, but I believe that these times are set by first deciding the "target" number of athletes (2000 for the London games), then setting the qualifying times at whatever level is expected to make it come out that way.

Edited to add Just for reference, in the U.S. Olympic trials just completed, 15 men and 15 women met the A standard in the 100 meters.
 
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dorispulaski

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One of the restrictions on what they could do with dance is that it would be very easy to reduce 4CC's in dance to only 6 teams or less-3 or less from the US & 3 or less from Canada. As it is, with open admissions, so to speak, there were only 11 teams (the Reeds qualified, but did not skate).

3 Canadians
3 Americans
1 Japanese (withdrew)
1 China
1 Australia
1 Kazhakstan
1 Mexico
1 Uzbekistan
 

deedee1

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She and Korpi got the minimum SP score at world's and/or European's. But they did not reach the minimum score in FP.

Thanks a lot, snowflake.

I did not read this rule change fully enough to understand myself I guess...
So it means skaters now need to meet requirements both with SP and FP respectively. Okay. I don't know what to say, I mean what's on your mind, ISU guys??? :sarcasm:
 

Violet Bliss

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Thanks a lot, snowflake.

I did not read this rule change fully enough to understand myself I guess...
So it means skaters now need to meet requirements both with SP and FP respectively. Okay. I don't know what to say, I mean what's on your mind, ISU guys??? :sarcasm:

They can get the SP and FP requirements from different competitions.
 

deedee1

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They can get the SP and FP requirements from different competitions.

Thanks, SkateFiguring.

Still a shock to me indeed to learn that such elite skaters as Korpi and Makarova failed to meet FP requirement last season...

From now on, if skaters fail to score well or take a year off in a season; due to injury, illness, college, and/or some contract :p issues, whatever reasons are, they have to kick their own butts off to score well enough in the early season first; such as at B competitions, in order to be a part of Nats team for Worlds/Olympics.
Correct me if I am wrong. Nats results itself does not count unless skaters get healthy/ready enough to be able to participate in ISU competitions first and score well there. ISU does not allow such making-a-comeback skaters to fully prepare for Nats by the Nats time comes no matter what. Oh, my. Again I don't know what to say. :no:
 

seniorita

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From how many competitions ago can they use their minimal score? Or is it just the last competition they did?
Is there all the congress decisions somewhere in a thread? I only had read about age restriction. Have they changed levels and sequences again, cause I feel i have missed something important.
 

Mattieu

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From how many competitions ago can they use their minimal score?

From the current or previous season, so any ISU recognized competition from the 2011/12 & 2012/13 seasons.

Most of our french team seem to have the minimum score for worlds 2013, with the exceptions of Lena MAROCCO, Romain PONSART, Daria POPOVA/Bruno MASSOT & Pernelle CARRON/Loyd JONES.
I hope the french federation gives these skaters priority for B internationals so that they can get the minimum score.
We need replacements in case of injuries, something the Federation seems to forgotten.
 
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All I can say is, thank God for Ondrej Nepela.

Really, I think this is such an ill-advised move on the part of the ISU. Skating is going to become such an exclusive sport that fans will have to take a test in order to watch...at which point I will retreat to quilting web sites and improve my stitching.
 
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So, those five competitions are one of mandatory ones for skaters to get minimum scores in order to compete in GP series? I'm wondering about Yuna's situation who's not competing at GP yet has plans to compete at Worlds.

ITA with you Olympia, each season there's new rules to make my eyes go :unsure: and :scowl:
 

chuckm

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Yu-Na isn't competing in the GP, so she doesn't need to do any of those early-season Senior Bs. If Yu-Na wants to compete at 4CC, she would have to establish a minimum score at a competition before that competition. Of course, the minimum scores (SP and FS TES requirements) are quite different for 4CC and Worlds. There are plenty of International Bs between the start of the GP and 4CC and/or Worlds, so she has plenty of time to choose one.
 

Violet Bliss

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The requirements are not really that restrictive. E.g. Isabel Drescher of Germany has the exact minimum SB of 113.43, and she is at #98. Lacoste (#35), Phaneuf (#39), and Osmond(#41) of Canada are all qualified so they can fill the SC host's spots.

The Men's field is much more competitive. The last one to qualify by minimum score is Romain Ponsart of France but he's at #77 and out, unless he is selected for TEB.. So is Jeremy Ten of Canada at #78 with 159.22. He misses SC host's pick by 0.22 point. :cry: The lowest Man to qualify is Petr Coufal of Czech at #75 with 160.49.
 
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clairecloutier

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Does this mean that Johnny Weir has to compete at one of the B competitions in order to qualify for the GP series?
 
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