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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    It was actually called "Factored Placements" but in some cases "Fractured Placements" makes more sense! Each segment received a factor and your placement in each segment was multiplied by the factor.

    When there were three segments, it was 0.3, 0.2, and 0.5 for figures, SP, FS which changed to 0.2, 0.3, and 0.5 as figures were reduced as a percentage.
    I remember this! During the SP/LP (91-97) era, it became 4.0/6.0. I remember this as "so-and-so-needs-help" system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Oh those Austrians!

    At the 1980 Olympics there were three Germanic judges on the ladies panel (East Germany, West Germany, and Austria). They (along with four other judges on the nine-judge panel) cheated, conspired, and in general sold their souls to the Devil to let Anett Poetsche win instead of Linda Fratianne. The next year the ISU changed the rules from combined scores to fractured placements so that a skater could not build up such a huge lead in figures that it was impossible for free skating specialists to catch up.

    This was revenge for what happened in 1927. Austrian Herma Szabo was going for her record sixth world championship in Oslo. The five panel judge comprised three rascally Norwegians and two Austro-Germans. Sonja Henie won, three judges to two -- her first of ten world championships. Szabo was so put out that she retired on the spot. The next year the ISU changed the rules to say that each country could have only one judge on the panel.

    An the 1906 World championships, held in Munich, defending champion Ulrich Salchow refused to compete against Austrian Gilbert Fuchs because he knew he didn't have a chance against Fuchs in Germany.

    Two years later at the 1908 Olympic games in London, Fuchs took one look at the judging panel and decided not to compete. Three Swedes swept the podium (Salchow, Johansson, and Thoren). Russian Nikolai Panin came second to Salchow in the school figures portion, but when he saw how Salchow was marked by the judges he withdrew before the free skating.
    Well, Salchow won out in the end: he has a jump named after him. I can't resist pointing out that there's no jump called the Fuchs.

    As for the German judges colluding, I actually remember hearing from the old Cold War days that even though East and West Germany didn't get along politically, judges from either Germany would be more likely to enjoy and support an ethnic German skater from either country. Of course there's no saying how much this impacted particular competitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    As I watch this performance from 2012 EC

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJtNXvyWbg

    I can see that Plushenko´s "transitions" are after a jump and there is a lot of plain sroking before a jump... This is the Russian idea of having transitions, LOL, totally different compared to what Chan and Takahashi are performing.
    Why do you think the current system is the best? I liked the old programs that I looked much more relaxed. The new programs that annoy me sometimes, too much movements. And many male skaters doesn't look good, when they skate.
    Eurosport commentary much more better
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOW1g...eature=related

    For example Sonia Bianchetti hates the sytem and she wrote after Sheffield:

    Sonia Bianchetti Garbato about EC http://www.soniabianchetti.com/about_sonia.html

    Plushenko, who placed second in the short program, gave a strong performance to "Tango de Roxanne", which included a quadruple toe-loop and seven triples, including two triple Axels. Evgeny's free program was the only flawless program of the event. The fact he was able to execute a quad was a kind of miracle because of the serious problems he is having with his knee. He will have to undergo surgery again in the next weeks.
    In spite of this, the Czar was able to give an explosive performance, at great speed and full of passion. Evgeny was the only skater who really filled the ice, who was able to communicate all the time with the spectators in the arena, driving them crazy. Once again he proved to be a great champion. Welcome back, Evgeny! But a question comes to my mind: why do we have to rely on the comeback of an old champion to create such an atmosphere in the arena? Why are the new talented skaters not able to achieve this? Is there something wrong in the development of the sport?

    I look forward to when Chan blow up the arena outside of North America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Oh those Austrians!

    At the 1980 Olympics there were three Germanic judges on the ladies panel (East Germany, West Germany, and Austria). They (along with four other judges on the nine-judge panel) cheated, conspired, and in general sold their souls to the Devil to let Anett Poetsche win instead of Linda Fratianne. The next year the ISU changed the rules from combined scores to fractured placements so that a skater could not build up such a huge lead in figures that it was impossible for free skating specialists to catch up.

    This was revenge for what happened in 1927. Austrian Herma Szabo was going for her record sixth world championship in Oslo. The five panel judge comprised three rascally Norwegians and two Austro-Germans. Sonja Henie won, three judges to two -- her first of ten world championships. Szabo was so put out that she retired on the spot. The next year the ISU changed the rules to say that each country could have only one judge on the panel.

    An the 1906 World championships, held in Munich, defending champion Ulrich Salchow refused to compete against Austrian Gilbert Fuchs because he knew he didn't have a chance against Fuchs in Germany.

    Two years later at the 1908 Olympic games in London, Fuchs took one look at the judging panel and decided not to compete. Three Swedes swept the podium (Salchow, Johansson, and Thoren). Russian Nikolai Panin came second to Salchow in the school figures portion, but when he saw how Salchow was marked by the judges he withdrew before the free skating.
    OMG! What a man you are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    As I watch this performance from 2012 EC
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJtNXvyWbg

    I can see that Plushenko´s "transitions" are after a jump and there is a lot of plain sroking before a jump... This is the Russian idea of having transitions, LOL, totally different compared to what Chan and Takahashi are performing.


    Agreed, but transitions are not the alpha and omega of figure skating, no matter the campaign the last few seasons. It is one of the many stuff required. Luckily it has started deflating the whole brainwashing thing.

    Daisuke is not who he is because of his transitions, there are a lot more in his skating than transitions before, and after his jumps ALso if you look carefully Daisuke doesnt have so many transitions as you claim, certainly not as many as Chan, which is why I like him.


    Mathman have you digested the Wikipedia?
    Thanx once again for the reply.

    Buttercup you are killing me. Before Verner I watched worlds and olympics list of partricipants. I skipped Euros. So now I watched Euros, Kristofer Bertnsson is the other choice or it doesnt count cause he retired? I missed him a lot at the last Euros..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    As I watch this performance from 2012 EC

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJtNXvyWbg

    I can see that Plushenko´s "transitions" are after a jump and there is a lot of plain sroking before a jump... This is the Russian idea of having transitions, LOL, totally different compared to what Chan and Takahashi are performing.
    You know why? Because Plushenko is NOT Chan and Takahashi. Different skaters, different styles, different transitions. Surprise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Buttercup you are killing me. Before Verner I watched worlds and olympics list of partricipants. I skipped Euros. So now I watched Euros, Kristofer Bertnsson is the other choice or it doesnt count cause he retired? I missed him a lot at the last Euros..
    I just realized that I forgot to say who the other one is. But first, did you enjoy baby Verner? He looks so young! Well, he was so young. Koffe is retired, he told AS last year he won't be competing at Euros/Worlds any more so I wasn't referring to him. What is he doing these days? Does anyone know?

    Anyway, you were on track with the idea of a comeback skater... here's the answer.

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    Johnny? I wouldnt imagine in a million years..I didn't even know he was competing so early!

    *lucinda book is a torture, especially with this heat..

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Johnny? I wouldnt imagine in a million years..I didn't even know he was competing so early!

    *lucinda book is a torture, especially with this heat..
    I wouldn't have figured it out on my own, either - I happened to look up that event and was very surprised when his name popped up. You can read all about his experience at the Goodwill Games in this ancient GS article...

    That book is a challenge in any sort of weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Johnny? I wouldnt imagine in a million years..I didn't even know he was competing so early!

    *lucinda book is a torture, especially with this heat..
    In Brisbane began Plushy's and Johnny's friendship. Plush went to Johnny and congratulated him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    Yes, I follow her on Twitter too and some of her tweets are very sad. I am actually surprised how openly she tells about her feeling, almost like she would be seeking for a help. If her come-back is so difficult, she shouldn't force it. Also she seems to be very heartbroken.

    I need the light in my life...I don't know what to do... I feel I am in lost..

    until when I have to be strong!? I went through so many times to be strong... Kill myself... I want to be happy...

    I born to die


    https://twitter.com/181712
    I just noticed that Ando has changed her Twitter account to Miki M Ando ‏@Miki_M_ANDO http://twitter.com/Miki_M_ANDO.

    Over the past couple of weeks, she has been sending lots of tweets, mostly in Japanese, plus photos.
    Compared to some of her seemingly troubled tweets in the past, this one in English from last week seems much more lighthearted: http://twitter.com/Miki_M_ANDO/statu...00146635046912

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    Will Lysacek be announcing that he's competing in Skate America?

    In case anyone cares:

    Evan Lysacek ‏@EvanLysacek
    Thank You to @HiltonHHonors for hosting me in London for a very exciting announcement I'll be making tomorrow morning … http://say.ly/bGl3WhT
    7:30 AM - 9 Aug 12

    (Remains to be seen whether tomorrow's announcement will have anything to do with his comeback, but I don't think this "tease" deserves a new thread.)

    ETA:
    So .... tomorrow also is the day that "2012 Hilton HHonors Skate America" single-session tickets will go on sale (at 10 am PT). http://www.usfigureskating.org/Story...320&type=media
    And the link in Lysacek's tweet above is to a post on his website that says that he will make the announcement on the Today show.
    So IF he announces on the Today show that he will compete at Skate America, it would be the perfect opportunity to plug that single-session tix are going on sale the very same morning.
    As SNL's Church Lady would say, "Isn't that conveeeeeeenient?"
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    I'd rather see Armin Mahbanoozadeh at Skate America than Evan Lysacek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    I'd rather see Armin Mahbanoozadeh at Skate America than Evan Lysacek.
    Armin was assigned to Skate America last year and performed poorly. He also performed poorly at his other GP event last year. Therefore, I would rather see another skater compete at Skate America. Might as well give the Olympic Champion a chance to compete, and see how he does after a two year break from competing.

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    So I suppose Hilton Honors will gift Evan a large appearance fee for being at Skate America. Evan has shown he's all about the money. He turns up his nose at USFS, refuses to skate at Skate America last year , refuses to do SOI....that's the way he thanks the skating community that went all out to support him.

    Evan comes off as an elitist snob. He has shown no grace or class as an Olympic Gold Medalist.

    I' d rather see Armin at Skate America. Or any of the guys that would be much better role models to represent the sport.

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